Had my car for 17 years now, ran it at stage 1 for the last 10 quite happily, but then decided to stage 3 it this year (mid life crisis?). Got it set up about 3 weeks ago, just been for another run in it, and I'm absolutely amazed at the mid-range pull it has now, 50 upwards is a blur.

So, in real terms, what does it compare to performance wise? Close to 300bhp/ton now so I'm curious.

Can't stop grinning...

 

It should give most cars a good run for there money. That's a nice upgrade

 

As above mate a good set up stg3 cossie is still a very quick car and will see off quite a lot of stuff on the road

 

They piss e46 m3s and can hang on the back of the first v8 m5's

 

100% right. I would say prob say ahead of the m5

 

People will say I'm talking shit but I'm not as I'm a biker so know how fast bikes are! But when mine was 350 I could hold my own against my brother on his gsxr 600 srad

 

I would have thought an E39 M5 would be trailing, 50bhp more but a lot more weight.

What we looking at re Porkers etc? No pissing contest here, just a Sunday night debate.

Dicko, should have done it years ago

 

My bro-in-law said that after he had a run in it, he's been a biker for 20 years.

 

I had a 996 c2 for a month a while ago and a stage 3 saff would destroy it

 

Realistically, you don't see much on the road that would beat it. Anything sub 300ish that isn't a kit car will be no match. Don't think any of the 911 range bar the turbo would be able to hold against it. Evos and Scoobys would have to be stage 1 to be able to stay with if not just beat it. Can't really think of much that would really destroy a stage 3 saph unless you're talking supercars. Even the baby range of supercars (Gallardo, Gransport, F360, F430, Aston V8 Vantage) would probably beat it but most of them would probably have to find the nearest vodka bar and have a few drinks to calm down after trying to comprehend how they couldn't shake a shonky old saph off their rear bumper!

I've always maintained for the road in any car 300bhp plus is serious pace and any more than that then it is insane power to have on the road. A stage 1 Evo 8/9/10 producing 400bhp/400ft.lbs is ridiculously quick for most roads and no doubt a stage 3 saph is probably the same if not a bit more brutal.

 

best road spec mate there great at mid 300's

 

Mines 400bhp and I've raced Audi R8...Aston Martin db 9 and a cbr 600 and bettered the lot.

 

have to agree sub 400 is loads for a road car ,just for the reliability factor alone

 

I used to love my old saph when it was stage 3 on a T3. minimal lag and a great punch. perfect usable fast road spec imo

 

Yours reallys flies,went like a rocket from the meet last nite.

 

I've been telling you that for years!!

glad you llike it!

steve

 

Ha ha it's was trying to go sideways all up that road lol.

 

Yea saw it stepping out on you,class mate.

 

Love it pal.. !

 

Mines around 400bhp and I was pushing a r8 v8 round snetterton for near on an hour then my diff exploded lol when it was 350bhp I had a good run with an brand new Aston Martin, he hammered it up to 100 then backed off! I think he was surprised the saff was still behind him. He pulled up in the lane next to me when we stopped at traffic lights and said "nice car mate" and nodded I replied "I'll do you a swap" lol he didn't hahaha

 

this is an interesting list. some surpirissing numbers both some higher/some lower than i thought..

http://www.autosnout.com/Car-Bhp-Per-Ton-List.php

 

Just not quite enough imo on the T3, runs out of puff. I've had a few different specs incuding the NMS Gunship T3, yes punchy as fook, but a T34.48 Car is that bit better imho....

 

Why you selling it then ??

 

You say that but when the cosworth starts to smell funny and get hot at 130 the m3 will whistle past and keep going so pointless IMHO

And my e36 3.0ltr although had a bit done to it never had stage 3 cosworths give me any trouble

But from I'd say 30 to 100 against a standard m3 the cosworth will be very slightly quicker

After that the m3 will pull its pants down

 

Guess depends who builds it when mine had 350 it would see the end of the speedo easy! And as I say would piss m3's

 

Your trying to say 280bhp e36 m3 is quicker than a proper t34 350 bhp stage 3 lol ok then

 

a 350bhp cosworth is still just streching its legs at 100+ not a chance a e36 m3 would destroy it.

 

Show it a bend lol.

 

The m3 really comes on song 3rd gear up and they pull very well

My m3 gave 326bhp on evolves rollers and I never got hassled by a stage 3 cossie

But I did say mine wasn't standard
Loved that car

 

I know what I'd rather be in anyway lol

 

If they are set up right they will be ok and shouldnt.blow up.

 

Show what a bend

 

Just look at the bhp per tonne list. Answers all, other than transmission loss, grip,power delivery, driver ......

 

I agree but the key word there is shouldn't

 

The cosworth of course.

 

This is one debate that will last for ever on pf it always seems to crop up at least once a month

 

Genuine question here

What's the quater mile time and terminal for the everage cossie at 350 bhp

And what the same for a standard e46 m3

 

I used to wipe the floor with M3s in my old 370Bhp 2wd, really was a fast car IMHO. Lots of power & torque, not a lot of weight. Was fun battering 996 Porsches as well.

A circa 400Bhp 2wd Cos with the right mods is an absolute weapon, even now the new M3 is 420Bhp and less torque, and weighs in at over 1650Kgs without fuel!

They may be old, but done right a Cossie is still a potent weapon.

I am seriously thinking about selling up & going for a 911 turbo, but I just can't let go for some reason

 

Cossie will feel quicker because the way it gives its power out, the M3 does not feel quick because it is progressive. I had a M3 Evo and they really do come on song in third. They surprised a shit load of other cars when they get going, they will go passed a E46 M3 when you start getting to silly speeds and stick with the E39 M5.

The cosworth is a straight line power house that can be tuned. The M3 will do a decent straight line speed, go like fuck around corners, be comfy and take the family out and be safe all under one package. This is what the M3 Does, it is not a master at anything but good at everything. Shouldnt really compare them as they are from different times.

For the record, my RWD Cosworth Escort went passed a 370z like it was stood still, mine is a good stage 3 and lighter than the normal. The guy in the 370z was giving it everything and got blown a new ass hole. I want to try a M3 E46 and then a E90 as I think it would certainly give the E90 ago from 30 to 100mph. After that both the M3;s would rape me

 

Spot on

The m3 don't feel fast at all but put the foot down and watch the speedo