As subject, just wondering how much power i need out of my cossie before it can compete with the slower of my two novas?

350 do it?

 

slower

 

stage 1

 

what did yours do that time at brunters pops?

alex

 

I had a look @ your video well impressive times

NOW to the Cos it's not so much as to wat power u need but to get a very good axle so as to get it off the line with the least amount of traction loss imo

 

Yours is 330 alvyn, what times does that run?

 

317 did it for a 13.2 on my esc cos (4x4)


so i cant see 330 not doing it on a rwd with traction

 

haven't run mine m8 but think it could do that sort of times with traction

 

dunno about that dave, would have thought 4wd was worth more than a 10th of a second but 13bhp wont be.

 

With rwd Chip i would say with 350 horse and a nice set of tyres 13 sec QTR's are def possible

 

I reckon it could be done with stage 1, and a proper rear end on the car.

I've run a 13.7 with just greens and a T3, running circa 300.

 

Lol, its crazy really that Im actaully having trouble getting my cossie to be as quick as my nova, lol, sounds ridiculous when i read it back.

Define "proper rear end" please someone, do you mean changing the diff etc, or just making sure the bushes are all in good nick and the shocks arent knackered?

 

making sure it keeps as mush of the tyre on the floor as possible

they squat like crazy as standard and only the inner edge of the rubber meets the tarmac

 

i know practically nothing about the rear end of a cossie or how to best set it up, so how do i make sure i get the tyre to stay flat?
firmer suspension to stop it squatting?
different camber in the first place to cancel it out?

 

zoo/group A rear end

 

NOT lowering it to far would be a good start mine is 25m with Koni's,rear end as getting a Quaiffe or Gripper diffs will also help @ a great cost all depends on what u want/afford really

 

or do as i do and run coil assitors

 

with 350hp and some proper tyres you will be in the 12's mate

no need to do anything to the rear end at this level imo.

 

I've done a 13.6 with under 300bhp on a standard rear end.

More power doesn't always make you quicker, sometimes it makes it worse.

cheers

Daniel

 

all about grip, only need more power when you can put it on the floor, IIRC mike rainbird does a cheap washer/rear beam de-camber kit that gives good results, and ZOO do a mega jag diff/modded rear beam at much more but is the dogs danglies

 

Stage 1

 

Chip, the main problem with a RWD cossie is squat when you launch. The back end dives and the wheels go in the arch with MASSIVE camber. This leaves you with a smaller tyre contact patch than the average Renualt 5 Campus.

There are a few cheap tricks to solving this. Lee (Tib) uses towing 'spring assitors' to great effect, and has done a 0-60 in the 3 second mark in a RWD Saph. Another great addition is the shims that Mike R sells. Once the car is lowered it always has camber on the rear wheels. The shims basically push out the top of the hub to reduce the camber increase the tyre contact area, although you will still get camber as the suspension rises in its arc, but it is reduced somewhat.

Both of these methods have been tried and tested and will cost you about Ł20!

The next thing to look at is some sticky tyres, i'm sure you know all about those and how important they are.

After that you are looking at getting a new rear beam either Ahmed or Zoo Motorsport type. It will set you back in the region of a grand though!

Either way power has very little to do with it at all. Danny B has run a 12.2 at 114mph with a stage 1 setup (270ish bhp) if I remember correctly - but he has a very special back end on the car!

When my Saph was at its fastest, in the dry at Brunters it could only put full power down in 4th gear, using Koni rear suspension, standard beam and 235 wide Yoko tyres.

EDITED TO ADD: The only problem is, once you get any sort of grip you will blow the diff to peices off the line, even with stage 1 it happens!

 

GOOD tyres and a set of mikeys camber things will be the biggest help for the least money. People talking uprated beams and shit thats running into the 1000s here...

And the LSDs are pretty shit, esp as they get looser as they get older, so fuck it, get the welder out n lock it

 

I'm not sure if Lee Catermole runs the shims as well as the spring assistors on his? On his new 3 door at TOTB he got into the 12's with a dinosaur T4 turbo though

 

Phil, that certainly makes sense, at the moment the suspension is very tired and squats loads, when it does so the back just has no grip at all, i swear id struggle to match my 2.2 60ft time from the nova, which is crazy in a car that is driving the right set of wheels!

When fitting coilovers to the rear of a cossie do you need to turret it or are they just bolt on?

Sounds like ill be running quaiffes in 4 of my current cars not just three at this rate, lol, i should be getting frequent buyer discount!

Chip

 

13.04 with 326Bhp in an Esscy cossie

so 300 with decent rear end grip should see low 13s

nige

 

phil the zoo beam is nothin g like a armeds beam
and there cheaper Ł750 Ł850 fteed set up)
the best way is rear wishbone set up as you can control the camber/wheel travel to parrel (off the line)
or progresive camber for track use

 

chip what about power to weight awell


the car weight fook all a saph aint the lightest thing either and also the size of the turbo for the 2.2 60ft times



get the car set up and see

cant see the relevance though as a saxo is quicker 60ft than my car, bet after that ill rape him,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, scratch that as i did

 

When mine was Stage 3 with a T34, it would run 13.3/13.4 all day long

 

Cool thats the spec im going for with a T34 and greens, so hopefully ill be able to match my novas time from last year.
Nova had a slipping clutch on that run though and dip into the 12s im sure, so might need to go for a little more power on the cossie to stay with it, but at least they will be in the same ball park, just dont want people who have been out in my nova to go out in my cossie and think it feels really slow as that would be a bit embarassing, lol

Getting back to the suspension etc, can anyone fill me in on the fitting of coilovers to the rear of a 3 door, does it require turreting or is it just bolt on fitment, ill get them either way, just need to know what is involved so i know wether or not to comondere my mate who is a far better welder than me, lol

 

chip ya nova WILL feel faster than ya cossie anyway even if ya traveling at higherspeeds


trust me on that one


its the power up high in the rev range when the car keeps pulling that people will notice the most 60 to 130mph

 

just weld up the spot welds to be safe side
i doubt u be on track so wont need to run anything heavy on rear to cuz any hassels

 

Chip, I just fitted coilovers on mine, and does require some very minor mods to the inner arch where the bottom of the spring will sit. Mine had about 2mm clearance, but after 5 mins with the ball pain hammer, has about 5mm.

My Stage 3 was simply T34, on greens, 7.8:1, about 26psi, on konis, standard rear end and diff/clutch etc. I think the terminals were about 110mph.

 

0-60 4.97 secs

1/4 mile 13.6

On 7"x17" wheels with 215/40 Avon "Ditch finder" tyres

T3 Greens and 20psi of boost

 

Christ, this thread is actually making me realise just how quick my bloody novas actually are, lol

Ive always thought of cossie's as THE (realisticly priced) performance car (im 30 in 6 weeks so have been used to them conquering all for most of the last 2 decades) but to hear that im actually beating the majority of modifed ones is quite weird, obviously i know i kick a standard one's arse, but i always assumed once 20psi+ boost was involved it would be a different story.

Thanks for all on the coilovers advice lads, ill make sure i get enough clearance on the rear when i get a coilover kit and i'll get my mate Sean who is far more handy with a welder than me to seam round the existing joins.


Trouble is, there is another 1/3rd to half a second yet to come off that nova, as the clutch was slipping when i ran the 13.3 on its only pod outing, and my other one is far quicker (well feels it on the road, i havent had it on the strip yet to confirm) so i guess the cossie will never compete in that respect, but the cossie is a damn site more comfortable, can fit 5 in it if i need to and is far more fun on a wet roundabout, so i guess thats more important than out and out speed anyway.


Its going to be weird though if i lose a race to someone in my nice and shiney 3 door cossie that i think is the bollocks and then when i lose i turn round and say:
"wait right there mate i'll be back in a minute for another go in a slightly rusty very tatty c reg nova "

 

trouble is a nova is a nova thats it nothing to shout about
i done a few 16v conv and there deadly to drive
all over the road dont handle heavy steering
its like sayin a 1.3 nova 50 bhp fit a 150 bhp engine
a 220 bhp cozzy times that by 3 y a got 660 bhp
end of the day ech to there own

 

Your Nova may be fast but its a Nova.

You will still kick arse on the road/strip in a cossie with 1/4 mile times of around 13- 13.5 secs.

o.k, a few cossies are not as fast as your nova but i would rather be in the cossie.





Dave.