Is wrong with psych evaluation people ? !!!

I had a text off my ex in plymouth on saturday night saying her dad was in intensive care.. found out why today..

His next door neighbour who's a schizophrenic was making alot of noise late at night, so he went to ask him to keep the noise down and wack.. he got belted in the head with a hammer The impact of the hammer hitting his head caused him to have a stroke, losing all ability in the left side of his body. Apparently he's got feeling back in his leg today, but his left arm is still not responding to anything. I got on really well with her dad and knew him quite well, to the point where i know that he wouldn't hurt a fly.

Why the fuck do they let schizo's loose in public ? if they are that mentally unstable the fuckers should be locked up or fucking shot ! Has had me in a bit of a shitty mood all weekend and quite honestly i feel like going down there and burying the hammer nice and deep into the c**ts head

Rant over - for now

 

fuck me thats bad. some fucked up shit happens in this world, hope he fully recovers, and more importantly isnt traumatised too bad in the long run

 

go and give the twat a kicking,schizo's shouldnt be aloud back out,but that would take 99% of women away

 

He should be locked up, he could have easily killed him

 

go down and beat fuck out of your ex's neighbour. both of them.

 

typical ignorant prejudice as usual. A small percentage of schizophrenic people become violent towards others, so yeah just lock them all up just in case hey???

A person with schizohrenia is far more likely to hurt themselves or kill themselves.


Also the mental health services are limited in who they can detain. if the guy has never been violent before or whose violent tendancys are controlled when on medication for example, then they cant lock him up for no good reason.

 

but who checks the guys actually taking that controlling medication? if the public are at an unknown to them risk the schizo should be locked up for everyones safety.

 

Aint that the truth

 

that small percentage is too many.....so yes lock em all up as you will NEVER tell which will harm himself or others.

 

 

its bollocks mate.................nothing like retribution to put the mind at ease

 

Ok you work out how to lock up almost 200000 people for thier whole lifetime when the vast majority have committed no crime. bear in mind they are patients not prisoners so you will have to provide comfortable accomodation and facilities etc etc etc

oh and many of these people diagnosed with schizophrenia may only have one episode of psychosis in thier whole life but you might never know if they would relapse do you???

costs on average Ł5k per week per patient in a medium secure mental hospital.

which comes to Ł52 billion and thats just simple estimates

Not to mention human rights etc you would still have to provide these patients with a quality of life etc - remember these arent criminally insane like at broadmoor etc!!!!


yeah really practical!!

then what?? lock up all those with personality disorders that could potentially be associated with violent behaviour???

the list goes on!!!

 

fk thats shocking hope he makes a full recovery and the cunt that done it gets a proper seeing to

 

I hope the man in hospital makes a decent recovery.
I can see both arguments here, I have been detained under the mental health act on a few occasions, you have to be evaluated before you can be released.
I have "adjustment in my ability from the frontal part of my brain", mainly due to it not being there, it's missing!!, the front part not the lot., then enlarged and irregular left ventricle.
Diagnosed with organic personality disorder, and psychotic tendencies.
I was on medication, it made me worse, as it makes you like a zombie, and just pisses you off being knackered all the time, I'm now on no medication and doing fine.
I think there certainly needs to be a overhaul of the system, unfortunately succesive governments closed psych wards etc, so a lot end up in prison which makes them worse.
I think with certain conditions it should be a requirement for spot checks of medication and a blood test to ensure it is being taken.
tabetha

 

wish a full recovery from me though such a shame this shit can happen and go on

 

Surely that applies to people in general as well?

 

Genuinely shocked at all the people who feel that the schizophrenic person should be beaten up, what the fuck would that achieve?
The poor bastard is already suffering enough from the evil's inside his head without needing external ones as well.

He needs HELP not attacking!

I would sooner have aids than schizophrenia, its a fucking horrific illness and the extent to which sufferers are routinely let down by our healthcare system is fucking disgusting!

 

indeed. If we wanted to eliminate all risk of violence then wed have to imprison EVERYONE. We all have the capability to kill - FACT.

If you wanted to limit it to imprisoning people with known ability to kill then youd have to imprison all members of the armed forces when off duty/retired, all martial arts experts, all drunks, all CHAVs, all woman while on thier period etc etc. Hardly practical.

 

thats the job of the professionals, to work out and assess which individuals show a tendency of violence and are likely candidates to commit offences.
if undecided then they should err on the side of caution and detain them. if no one can make sure they are taking the medication that keeps them placid they should err on the side of caution and detain them. the caution is to protect the public not the individual.
prison is there to detain those that willfully commit similar offences.mental institutions are there for those not in control of their mind or actions.both are there to protect the general public.

 

I feel that the healthcare system lets these people down, and in doing so they let the public down too.
Last week there were 2 stories in the news where a schizophrenic was sentenced for murder and theyve let them out. One went on to murder someone else and cook his brain, then kill again in Broadmoor. The other is trying to bet a licence as a black cab driver(!!!!). And they were presumed 'safe' even with a history of murder!!!

As for professionals monitoring their medication, they would have a CPN (nurse visiting their homes daily/weekly). But ive called CPN's myself to say a patient has not collected their medication and quite often get "ohhhhhh, okay, Ill go round their later". (patients cannot get away with missing doses on this drug).

Grrr.

It is a horrible illness though, and as Warren said, most would rather hurt themselves than someone else. They cant just lock someone up. Im in a year long treatment programme to treat symptoms of borderline personality disorder, and at the same time have passed an nvq3 and btec in pharmaceutical science and services and worked full time (im VERY lucky).
Not all people should be instantly judged.

 

whatever the woolly liberal left think, if someone whacked my dad with a hammer id respond in kind regardless of whether or not its considered their fault. if its a schizo id do it twice to make sure id got the right man.

 

Fuzzy you are starting to sound paranoid and schizophrenic, are the voices telling you to do this ?
tabetha

 

voices in my head? dont be stupid . jesus told me to do it.

 

hahhahahaha

 

Youd be detaining probably more than the number i qouted earlier with the associated costs as theres loads of mental illness's and personality disorders with violence as a possibility

And then you have to take into account that just because someone has mental illness doesnt mean they are stupid. I know for a FACT that if i faced being locked up for admitting certain types of thoughts etc then do you think id be honest or lie???? Selfish you may say but i value my freedom above your concerns about mental health "nutters" committing violence.

Exactly but again if a patient wants to not take thier medication deliberately, then they will collect the prescription and then not take the pills and stash/bin them. Supervised consumption is the only way round this and its not practical for the numbers of people suffering mental illhealth in the community.

Generally the ones who miss picking up prescription are likely to be functioning at a low level already and getting higher supervision than others (if the system is working a bit!!).

You will also find plenty of people with psychiatric illness who dont like taking the medication and dont see why they should or dont feel the side effects are worth it.
EXACTLY

we cant judge people on sexuality/gender/race etc in our society yet the prejudice's and ignorance surrounding mental health still seem as strong as ever.
again another ignorant response. schizophrenic people do NOT have multiple personalitys!!! that is a seperate disorder called funnily enough, Multiple Personality Disorder or disassociative identity disorder!!!!

Id like to know how youd respond in kind as theyd be locked up very shortly after you found out?? or would you bear a grudge for years and years???

 

thats bad hope he gets better soon mate

 

Well there's good news - he's now being taken from icu down to hdu instead, they have said his condition is "serious but stable"

There's some interesting replies here and i have to admit, my own comment about burying the hammer in the guys head was purely anger talking. As already mentioned, the guy was picked up by the police and carted off to the police station within minutes of the incident happening.

 

good news that he's getting better. im sure he'll take comfort in the fact the guy was suffering from a misunderstood mental illness and is likely to hurt himself more.

 

well he should take comfort that it was a nutter that hit him who obviously needs help rather than just some scally cunt who did it for fun (as is increasingly the case these days).

 

that dont justify it though does it?

 

Im with warren on this, although its awful what has happened to the poor guy who got hurt, he was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time, but if anyone is to blame its the inadequateness of the nhs's mental health departments around the country, they are simply not equipped to cope with the volume of patients there are,

I have first hand experience of this as i deal with my wife who is bi-polar with borderline personality disorder thrown in for good measure, very recently she was "in crisis" and it took us nearly 3 weeks to get to see the consultant, for 2 of those 3 weeks the regular telephone number for my wifes consultant went straight to answer phone because the demand was so high on the outdated telephone system, we contacted the so called crisis team and they were to busy and to far away from the village we live in to be of any use.

when we do finally manage to get to see the consultant all she can really do is try and talk through why she is feeling the way she is at the moment whether that be that she is "manic" or depressed or even angry, and try to adjust the medication she is taking to suit the current mood, all this is because the resources my wife really need are so over streched, she has been waiting 3 years to get to see a councillor, and 8 months for a cpn who can help her manage the way she feels till a different resource becomes available.

 

Id have to agree the NHS is fucking useless for adult mental health. Ive been out navy 15 months now and ive not even got past assessment with a psychologist And it took me almost a year just to get an appointment for assessment, this is despite already being a CURRENT patient in the military and being promised a transfer of care to the equivilent level in NHS.

You wouldnt be able to get away with putting someone with cancer to the bottom of the waiting lists because they moved house so why should you be able to do that with mental health???

 

It varies though depending on the trust.
Cant fault the access to services here.

 

the trust here has on paper very good range and quantity of services, the problem being stoke has a very high proportion of ill people/people needing access to combined NHS/social services (hence the well developed system). And unfortunately the situation is getting worse as the area is well known for a good range of services so is prime target for sending "trouble" familys and people with complex needs when they exhaust/get binned by services in thier areas.

They need to stop transfering more people here and deal with the people that already exist

And if stoke is supposedly good for mental health then fuck knows how bad everywhere else is!! in stoke, until 2 weeks ago there was ZERO mental health support for NEETs in the area yet stoke has a high number of NEETs in the demograph (NEETs = 16 -18 year olds Not Education, Employment, Training). Pretty insane really as this situation had existed for 2 years as CAMHS would ditch the teens at 16 and adult services refused to take them until 18 so the only services was acute psychiatric once they presented at A+E in serious crisis and nothing else!!! Madness really when you consider that age group often includes teen mums, poorly educated, vulnerable people, girls at risk of exploitation etc etc all high risk factors for mental ill health!!!

 

I have to agree with both statements here.

 

Is that the same throughout the country Warren?

 

i cant see the comfort in it. id be more pissed off that it happened because of failure in the system thinking that it might well had been prevented.

 

They've closed all the mental health hospitals round here, St Edwards near leek was buldosed a couple of years ago, its now covered in redrow !!! I always asked myself, where did the people go ??? they were in there cos they needed help. did they all get better at once ??? probablly not, so who's helping them now ?

 

no one probably. a local pensioner regularly gets taken home by the police after crawling around the streets in her nighty on all 4's barking like a dog. the fire service are regularly called to put out kitchen fires. theres rubbish everywhere and she stinks. its not in anyones interest that shes not being looked after in a residential home but care in the community is cheap.

 

"Care in the community" is in theory a good idea but ONLY if it is adequately funded and has adequate professionals to carry out appropriate visits etc - which unfortunately it isnt.

The old style asylums have been shut down and to be honest probably for the best as traditionally people could end up in the asylum for life when treatment would likely have solved most the problems!!

Not sure to be honest. Although the local situation has only been resolved through work by mental health charitys asking for clarification and basically theyve had to come to an agreement to avoid it becoming publically known and messy political implications from it being widely known that a certain age group cant get help. Wether thats been driven by just the local charity, or if its new adherance to a national NHS policy or adherance to a NHS policy that had been convieniently forgotten is yet to be determined.