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From: Leighton Buzzard
after months off the road due to 2 knackered engines bieng sold to me by c**ts finally got in running with reconditioned engine had new be bearings and main all heavy duty new belts, plugs, motorsport leads, std cam thats wat i have recipts for i have done 500 miles to run it in as i was told to but the last 100 it started to smoke a bit on start up and then drivin too now! not masses of smoke tho wat could it be it has a 2nd hand turbo on which is a stage 2 was told it didnt smoke but havent really boosted the turbo up yet as been driving slow for runing in ???
was told it would burn a bit of oil while bedding everything in but just bit worried want to get it set up now as i have covered 500 miles running in but cant afford for this to go wrong is it worth bieng set up while its smoking after 500 miles ? i know a oil change is due now but would this help or make it worse ?
spec is std engine efi ofac management, biege injectors, 195 chip, front mount intercooler,alloy rad(which i think makes it run hotter), stage 2 turbo, 044 cossie pump
was told it would burn a bit of oil while bedding everything in but just bit worried want to get it set up now as i have covered 500 miles running in but cant afford for this to go wrong is it worth bieng set up while its smoking after 500 miles ? i know a oil change is due now but would this help or make it worse ?
spec is std engine efi ofac management, biege injectors, 195 chip, front mount intercooler,alloy rad(which i think makes it run hotter), stage 2 turbo, 044 cossie pump
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yeah thats wat i was thinkin but would it smoke when the turbo has hardley spooled up also im not running the water pipes to the turbo cos it kept boiling the cooling system up but i know it should have them how can i keep the system cool with them attached?
Water cooling the turbo has nothing to do with your smoke, lots of us run withot it for the same reason you do.
What colour is the smoke?
Blue is oil, black is fuel, white is water (steam).
What colour is the smoke?
Blue is oil, black is fuel, white is water (steam).
it could be the turbo, what i'd do is find a friend and pull the turbo off, then get your friend to hold the oil feed pipe in the oil return pipe in the block.
then run the engine without the turbo/manifold.
if it smokes it is an engine prob, if not then the turbo is to blame(ish)
check the exhaust elbow off the turbo for oil and the manifold where it bolts to head for oil also.
check the exhaust ports too for oil, you will have soot, but if you wipe your finger over it, if it's oil it'll stay wet, if condensation/overfuelling then it'll evapourate and leave a dry soot.
it could be the rings in an oval bore sadly, but you won't know till you've satisfied yourself with the turbo.
hope that help.
then run the engine without the turbo/manifold.
if it smokes it is an engine prob, if not then the turbo is to blame(ish)
check the exhaust elbow off the turbo for oil and the manifold where it bolts to head for oil also.
check the exhaust ports too for oil, you will have soot, but if you wipe your finger over it, if it's oil it'll stay wet, if condensation/overfuelling then it'll evapourate and leave a dry soot.
it could be the rings in an oval bore sadly, but you won't know till you've satisfied yourself with the turbo.
hope that help.
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it could be the turbo, what i'd do is find a friend and pull the turbo off, then get your friend to hold the oil feed pipe in the oil return pipe in the block.
then run the engine without the turbo/manifold.
if it smokes it is an engine prob, if not then the turbo is to blame(ish)
check the exhaust elbow off the turbo for oil and the manifold where it bolts to head for oil also.
check the exhaust ports too for oil, you will have soot, but if you wipe your finger over it, if it's oil it'll stay wet, if condensation/overfuelling then it'll evapourate and leave a dry soot.
it could be the rings in an oval bore sadly, but you won't know till you've satisfied yourself with the turbo.
hope that help.
then run the engine without the turbo/manifold.
if it smokes it is an engine prob, if not then the turbo is to blame(ish)
check the exhaust elbow off the turbo for oil and the manifold where it bolts to head for oil also.
check the exhaust ports too for oil, you will have soot, but if you wipe your finger over it, if it's oil it'll stay wet, if condensation/overfuelling then it'll evapourate and leave a dry soot.
it could be the rings in an oval bore sadly, but you won't know till you've satisfied yourself with the turbo.
hope that help.


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i know its overfueling a bit as it pops and bangs a bit lol but it dont smoke all the time or not that i have noticed so if i took the turbo off would it still show how will i know if its the rings ? was told that it was reconditioned so assume the rings were done ? unfortuetly it is an unknown rebuild i just brought it
Last edited by martinmilne; Aug 23, 2009 at 07:04 PM. Reason: 1
it could be the turbo, what i'd do is find a friend and pull the turbo off, then get your friend to hold the oil feed pipe in the oil return pipe in the block.
then run the engine without the turbo/manifold.
if it smokes it is an engine prob, if not then the turbo is to blame(ish)
check the exhaust elbow off the turbo for oil and the manifold where it bolts to head for oil also.
check the exhaust ports too for oil, you will have soot, but if you wipe your finger over it, if it's oil it'll stay wet, if condensation/overfuelling then it'll evapourate and leave a dry soot.
it could be the rings in an oval bore sadly, but you won't know till you've satisfied yourself with the turbo.
hope that help.
then run the engine without the turbo/manifold.
if it smokes it is an engine prob, if not then the turbo is to blame(ish)
check the exhaust elbow off the turbo for oil and the manifold where it bolts to head for oil also.
check the exhaust ports too for oil, you will have soot, but if you wipe your finger over it, if it's oil it'll stay wet, if condensation/overfuelling then it'll evapourate and leave a dry soot.
it could be the rings in an oval bore sadly, but you won't know till you've satisfied yourself with the turbo.
hope that help.

That has got to be the most random piece of advice i've heard for a long time!! I can se where your coming from and it may work but sounds fucking dodgy! LOL
This might be easier..... disconnect the actuator rod, hold the wastegate open with a cable tie, do as you said with the oil feed pipe, and jam a screwdriver in the comp housing to stop it spinning.

Then drive the car and see if it smokes?!
i know its overfueling a bit as it pops and bangs a bit lol but it dont smoke all the time or not that i have noticed so if i took the turbo off would it still show how will i know if its the rings ? was told that it was reconditioned so assume the rings were done ? unfortuetly it is an unknown rebuild i just brought it
it could be the turbo, what i'd do is find a friend and pull the turbo off, then get your friend to hold the oil feed pipe in the oil return pipe in the block.
then run the engine without the turbo/manifold.
if it smokes it is an engine prob, if not then the turbo is to blame(ish)
check the exhaust elbow off the turbo for oil and the manifold where it bolts to head for oil also.
check the exhaust ports too for oil, you will have soot, but if you wipe your finger over it, if it's oil it'll stay wet, if condensation/overfuelling then it'll evapourate and leave a dry soot.
it could be the rings in an oval bore sadly, but you won't know till you've satisfied yourself with the turbo.
hope that help.
then run the engine without the turbo/manifold.
if it smokes it is an engine prob, if not then the turbo is to blame(ish)
check the exhaust elbow off the turbo for oil and the manifold where it bolts to head for oil also.
check the exhaust ports too for oil, you will have soot, but if you wipe your finger over it, if it's oil it'll stay wet, if condensation/overfuelling then it'll evapourate and leave a dry soot.
it could be the rings in an oval bore sadly, but you won't know till you've satisfied yourself with the turbo.
hope that help.



that will be 90% of your oil pressure spraying back into the sump then.
you'd only do it for a few seconds, not to run it for minutes, i have a fitting to block the oil feed for such testing and a non turbo manifold, not everyone has the bits needed to test properly.
i've not tested this on mfi, but removing the oil cap and letting it flow into there instead will cause a leak in the seal of the system and wouldn't run right then either.
it's just a method of testing the engine without the need of a leak down test as compression tests aren't always conclusive either.
ideally you need to use a non turbo manifold and simulate the same conditions without a turbo and see what happens, i had an engine which on compression tests seemed fine but on a run showed a problem due to engine load conditions.
i've not tested this on mfi, but removing the oil cap and letting it flow into there instead will cause a leak in the seal of the system and wouldn't run right then either.
it's just a method of testing the engine without the need of a leak down test as compression tests aren't always conclusive either.
ideally you need to use a non turbo manifold and simulate the same conditions without a turbo and see what happens, i had an engine which on compression tests seemed fine but on a run showed a problem due to engine load conditions.
i had a knackered turbo plumes of smoke every where thick white smoke the head gasket was on its way out aswell tho and i change the hg and still did it and took the turbo off and the oil seal had gone got a new turbo problem solved
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