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Old Apr 12, 2009 | 10:18 PM
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got a ticket for parking on a double yellow line in King cross, london, on saturday morning, yes i know i shouldnt have but we just finished unloading the car and the c*ck wrote the ticket from a distance so didnt notice until he slapped on the windscreen.

however he wrote the wrong road name?

£60 if i pay within 14 days rather give it to charity to be honest
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Old Apr 12, 2009 | 10:23 PM
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wrong name wont mean shite im afraid, also im guessing it was a real traffic warden,, as in metropolice ticket rather than a camden parking warden,,,,, there harder to get out of due to the nature of the act

if its a council one aslong as its a 01 code and not a 02 then just appeal due to loading,,,, if its a red route metropol warden ticket then its 60 quid to this years policemans ball
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Old Apr 12, 2009 | 10:29 PM
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did he get a picture of the car with the ticket on it?
the road name being wrong might get you off but i wouldn't bank on it

they also need to be reading the number plate from the tax disc to veryfy it's correct so that's another one to sort, just say it wasn't you
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Old Apr 12, 2009 | 10:37 PM
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oh wrong road name may work as technically you never commited the offence but you would need them to prove it again !

any wrong infomation on a ticket means its a spoil..... though if the warden says he was on that road when he gave you the ticket,,,,, well again its shite but he should have taken a photo that would prove it
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contest it, your allowed to park on double yellows whilst unloading (dependant on kerb markings) as long as they see you loading/unloading you entitled to 20 minutes. Also as said in a previous post information entered incorrectly usually goes in your favour as well. Lastly, if he didn't take a photo of the ticket on the vehicle and a photo of the restriction plate then they may well be stuck without proof (make sure you weren't caught on a camera )

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Old Apr 13, 2009 | 09:00 AM
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i hate traffic wardens, total wankers!!!! i hVE A £180 fine to be paid and i was never issued a ticket just the fine and when argue i lost even know they never provided proof as such
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since when was loading /unloading allowed on double yellows?
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Old Apr 13, 2009 | 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by fuzzy
since when was loading /unloading allowed on double yellows?
yellow lines are a waiting restriction, curb marks are loading restriction
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Old Apr 13, 2009 | 09:26 AM
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well there you go, ive learned something new today. i always thought you couldnt stop at all on double yellows and only loading on single yellows.
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Old Apr 13, 2009 | 12:57 PM
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single yellows normally dnote no parking during hours of peration
doubles normaly mean no parking all the time
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Old Apr 13, 2009 | 01:11 PM
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Contest it by just writing back any old crap each time they send you something, they usually get bored after one or two letters.... I've had a good few London tickets and I've never paid any of them
Guessing they only chase up the really bad repeat offenders....
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yes he took a photo of the front and rear.
i think if i had the boot open and you could have clearly seen tools in the back it would have been more obvious i was unloading.
ginge it says its a code 1
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Old Apr 15, 2009 | 11:08 AM
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You are not allowed to park on double yellows ever! unless your a cab and your dropping off. my girlfriend works for TFL, dealing with peoples tickets and she said write in and contest this, if its your first offence you may get off!
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great, now what the hell do i write in this letter im crap at writing letters
obviously ill send it special delivery or is recorded ok
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Old Apr 15, 2009 | 12:17 PM
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If you do contest it DO NOT pay it first. I made this mistake, apparently if you pay your are agreeing to the terms in which it was issued and you cannot then appeal.
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Originally Posted by rs_g-man
You are not allowed to park on double yellows ever! unless your a cab and your dropping off. my girlfriend works for TFL, dealing with peoples tickets and she said write in and contest this, if its your first offence you may get off!
Absolute baloney !

After this post was started I was going to take a photo of a double yellow to prove you could but thought that was a little anal as somebody had already stated you could (Ginge I think). I'm out tomorrow, so if I remember I'll do it tomorrow. You can park on double yellows to load/unload for up to 20 minutes and dependant on kerb markings and restriction plates.

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Old Apr 15, 2009 | 05:43 PM
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Just done a quick look on google and also found this :

http://www.westminster.gov.uk/transp...es_loading.cfm
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same here...
DOUBLE YELLOW LINES
Double yellow lines means NO WAITING AT ANY TIME. You may ONLY stop to allow passengers to board or alight your vehicle or to load or unload heavy or unmanageable goods. However this activity is generally limited to 20 minutes and must be continuous. Double yellow lines are enforceable 24 hours a day 7 days a week.
SINGLE YELLOW LINE
A single yellow line means NO WAITING AT ANY TIME during the hours stipulated on nearby time plates (usually 9am-6pm). You may ONLY stop to allow passengers to board or alight your vehicle or to load or unload heavy or unmanageable goods. However this activity is generally limited to 20 minutes and must be continuous. Single yellow lines are enforceable AT ALL TIMES shown on the time plates INCLUDING BANK HOLIDAYS unless specifically stated otherwise.
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Old Apr 15, 2009 | 05:50 PM
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Many people also don't know that if you return to your vehicle whilst a Council Parking Attendant is issuing a ticket then you are entitled to drive off (providing no other offence is cause ie dangerous driving by cutting someone up) and it makes the ticket invalid. If however a Police Orificer () or Traffic Warden issue the ticket and you drive off then they can post it too you !

Also if a single line has no T ending it then the line is in fact illegal and the ticket cant be enforced !

Its amazing what you find out being a White Van Man

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Old Apr 15, 2009 | 06:45 PM
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parking is not allowed, unloading/loading is NOT parking,, waiting is classed as parking hence they call it a waiting restriction to avoid confusion to chauffers who wait for there job in meetings ect
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Old Apr 15, 2009 | 09:41 PM
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i cant see how they are going to beleive me that i was unloading as when they took the pics the boot was closed]
also how the hell can i prove that where i was parked is not the street writen on the ticket ?
i could take pics of the shop front but how do i know if you can see whats in the back ground of the pic taken by the traffic warden
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Old Apr 16, 2009 | 03:56 AM
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which street was it ?
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the dappy fooks always give us tickets in loading bays for "not loading"

so we always write back saying that "how are we supposed to show activity if the vehicle is temprature controled and the doors need to be kept shut and only opened for minimul lengths of time?"

they then write back saying "ok, we'll let you off, this time"

so what you need to explain is that you were loading/unloading at the time but, due to keeping the vehcile secure while you were away frmo it, you had to close the doors and boot and lock it as there may have been other, less obvious, criminals in the vicinity other than the parking warden

ok, leave that last bit about them being criminals out for better resluts
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Old Apr 16, 2009 | 12:51 PM
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But he was in a car, not a refrigerated van !

BUT ! Maybe if you had a delivery ticket which confirmed you were unloading goods from your vehicle then you could use that to confirm that you were stopped to unload.

Give me a PM and I can sort you one out
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there like snipers aint they,they must be ex sas or something lol
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Originally Posted by Frogford
But he was in a car, not a refrigerated van !

BUT ! Maybe if you had a delivery ticket which confirmed you were unloading goods from your vehicle then you could use that to confirm that you were stopped to unload.

Give me a PM and I can sort you one out
but it's still a valid point mate, would you go up a flight of stairs leaving your car open to all and sundry in the centre of london? how do you know someoens not going to drop a bomb in it?

or the police aren't goign to turn up and blow it up?
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yes i suppose i could say i was unloading tools from the car to take down to the basement and shut the boot so no one nicks anything
i could send a business card confirming my address, but does not have my name on it.

from what ive read, i think the unloading tools part will be best rather than moan that the street name is wrong as i still dont think they would beleive it 100%


Originally Posted by Frogford
which street was it ?
i was in rosebery avenue ec1r 4sl, parked infront of my shop
they wrote roscoe street ec1
which according to multimap is 1 mile away
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Old Apr 16, 2009 | 02:51 PM
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listen to ginge on this one, he used to be scum

sorry i mean a parking warden
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They dont know you what you were unloading do they ! As I said I can fill out one of my delivery tickets to state you were unloading something heavy which would back up your claim of unloading and should be good grounds for appeal.

Dojj, I meant the bit about the van mate, not the keeping your vehicle secure. I carry high value loads around London and my Van is never unlocked, even when I'm in the back the side and cab doors are locked
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Originally Posted by GavStyli
i was in rosebery avenue ec1r 4sl, parked infront of my shop
they wrote roscoe street ec1
which according to multimap is 1 mile away
Your not the Plumbing place are you ? The one with the Merc at the back and stacks of wooden boxes with wine in are you ?
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Ignore me, I'm thinking of Jacobs on Warner St !
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getting a invoice for delivery is all you need to prove loading, in camden they will observe a car for 5 mins before issuing a ticket confirmed with the husky, though LEGALLY your allowed to unload HEAVY stuff consistantly for upto 20 mins,,, so someone helping you unload a large table chopsaw would be a valid reason and a invoice from the chippy to confirm...... using your car do to parking restrictions in the area for the tradesman

getting a invoice aint hard, its just a letter headed paper confirming the work done,, you can even fake a vat number as they aint gonna check with customs !!!

the law is the law, even if they didnt accept it by the time it gets to northampton they will aslong as you wasnt there longer than 20 mins !!!

ps: i know its a fucking long drawn out system,, where it would seem easier just to pay the discounted ticket,,,,,,, BUT THATS WHY THEY MAKE IT LIKE THAT AS ENGLISH PEOPLE ARE LAZY FAT CUNTS and never appeal

in camden when i was training the wardens there we canceled on average 80% of appeals just cause less than 2% of tickets issued where appealed against and so HAD to have appeals accepted just so the figures matched to seem fair,,,, as imagine 2% of tickets appealed against,,,,,,, and 20% of appeals won could start internal council based a audit,,,,, thats when all tickets are looked into and spoiled before they are issued to the offender, every fine then would have to be paid by the contractor for ANY spoil ticket,,,,,, also would show what REALLY goes on like vans given instant tickets, tickets chucked in the bin, tickets issued to parked cars on meters whe the wardens are hiding in mcdonalds ( btw it REALLY DOES HAPPEN)#

i was working with a bloke in red lion street base,,,, he was the prefect, he had the highest issue of tickets per day than ANYONE, NO VDA's ( vehicle driven away) and issued a min of 50 tickets a day too

we looked into him and found was soo unbelivable....... the bloke was homeless living in the base at night !!!!!, he would leave the back door on a latch wedged shut as it wasnt belled up and let himself in and out

anyway the phone bill to adult chatlines was what set the investigation off,,,,, at 11pm at night !!!

when he was sacked they searched hes locker,,,,,, found over 500 illigal tickets claimed to be placed on the windscreen !!!

EVERY TICKET ISSUED BY THAT WARDEN AND APPEALED WAS WON,,,,, But if you never apealed and payed the ticket then,, well you paied it and if you never wrote back you was also dealt with as normal..... how fucking wrong is that !!!!

ther was also a bloke who went to work in the morning,, went on beat then caught a bus and went to ANOTHER JOB !!!,,,,, done that on a building site for a few hours then went BACK to work issuing tickets for 3 hours before returning to base,,,, this bloke worked 12 hours a day 6 days a week,,,,, due to him traveling to hes other job pmsl

there was also ALOT of wardens not just in brixton who done the job to sell drugs on street in daylight too,,,,, and i mean ALOT of em
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what would i be delivering in a ford mondeo ?!
frogford, its a barber shop
so im gona write i was unloading a table saw and paint and tools etc and that should do it
we are actualy renovating the front of the shop anyway!? all the paint is rubbed down and looks a state lol
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Do you want a delivery ticket ? Hopefully I'm in EC tomorrow, and usually come in and out of London via Rosebury/Farringdon so dropping one in shouldnt be an issue (whats the bets I've said that and they go and give me bloody Tickenham !)
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if its on your way mate, but isnt it more straight forward to just say i was unloading tools into the shop?
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Originally Posted by GavStyli
what would i be delivering in a ford mondeo ?!
frogford, its a barber shop
so im gona write i was unloading a table saw and paint and tools etc and that should do it
we are actualy renovating the front of the shop anyway!? all the paint is rubbed down and looks a state lol
Looking at it via Google it looks like your renovating the whole street !
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yes there was scafolding covering the whole block, was taken down just before xmas
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Have you asked to see the Legal Order and description for the Double Yellow line?

If not do so and make sure it is water tight.

You'd be surprised how many parking tickets are issued that could be very easily contested, but aren't!

Try see if the council that implemented the restrictions have a map based system to record the legal orders if your likely to struggle following the legal phrasing of the paper document.
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Originally Posted by Frogford
Do you want a delivery ticket ? Hopefully I'm in EC tomorrow, and usually come in and out of London via Rosebury/Farringdon so dropping one in shouldnt be an issue (whats the bets I've said that and they go and give me bloody Tickenham !)

andy your a star mate
now obviously theyve put the wrong address anyway so i gotta put i delivered something to an address in roscoe street now dont i
and what can i deliver lol thats heavy and fits in a mondeo boot!?
shall i send a copy of the ticket or the original

ps. i thought i was in trouble when you walked in the shop asking for gav, was gona run for it!
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LOL ! I would have stopped, but I was parked on a double yellow !! and I Still had a couple of drops in N1 and N7 !


Put Rosebury Av. down, not the incorrect address, it all helps, and as for delivering, how about a couple of new chairs ? bulky and heavy ?? just a thought.

I did wonder why you looked a bit wide eyed ? lol, I'm placid mate, just don't cut me up


Just email me the details you put in, just incase they contact us !


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