i thought i'd be clever and buy some drums to reduce the offset of my wheels because they rub on the arch.
the problem is rs turbo's use the same seperate hub design as the disc's as opposed to 1.3's built in hub/ drum design.
this means that my offset will only be changed by the thickness of the disc compared to the thickness of the drum!
which basically is f all!!!!
jarred off now!
maybe 1.3 drums would sit in further????????????

 

9mm further in using RST drums.

 

take 2 of ya rims off n get 9-10mm taken off the inside lol!

 

1.3 drums sit really far in mate.my mate had some on his s2 and had 16inch mondeo rims and cut springs.the car was literally on the floor and the back wheels didnt rub a bit atall.
wen i had the same car off him i put s2 drums on bk but then the wheels rubbed lol.

 

The rs came with two different types of drum mate, mine came with the built in style you mention, im not sure how 'thin' they are but im running 7.5" with 205 rubber okay if that helps?

 

The S2 didnt,they all had the same drums!!

 

Don't know who told you that mate, you can come take mine off if you want!

 

all rs turbo's came with the same rear drums that are the seperate hub type you probably have xr rears that were slightly smaller

 

My car is a one previous owner car, I have EVERY receipt and invoice this car ever had done to it, the original bill of sale and even the bill for fitting a ford car phone to it, I got it with 50k on the clock. I am telling you 100% that the rear of my series 2 has built in hubs with the rear drums. I only found out when I bought some drums to get powder coated and when I came to fit them it was completely different. At what stage of its life would someone have taken the hubs off and put these drums (which are not smaller in diameter by the way) on it?! guess what my car also has, 0.25" oversized hydraulic followers that were fitted from the factory which I should imagine you will deny ever happened aswell! Some come with oversized cam bearings aswell. Love the way people think they know these cars inside out.

 

I worked as a mechanic in a Ford dealer from 1985 till 1994 and i never came across any S2's that had the hub built into drum!

 

Never say never mate, like I say, how many cvh engines did you come across with oversized followers?

 

strange that in nearly 10 years in a Ford dealer and 24 years of working on car's and 9 years of RS ownership never to see it though!! maybe you have the only one in existence to have those drum's!!

 

Haha ladys!!

 

nothing strange about it, they made 8604 of them, you probably worked on 200 max???

 

My head on my s2 has oversized cam bearings, ive been told by Andy at cylinder head developments that it was quite a common thing for ford to do that. It stoped them scrapping off loads of heads. Thats why peoples cams wear so quick because people fit a standard size cam which is to small

 

thats right, they did stamp/mark the heads to show if it had oversize followers, cam bearings or both but most people never check/know. Like you say, it was ford making the best of what they had.

 

I've worked on way more than 200 S2's!

 

Not a cock measuring exercise mate, just saying you havent worked on every s2 have you! Fuck me, how hard is it for you to admit your not right.

 

well you have'nt proved me wrong yet!!
Get some pic's of your drum's up!!

 

Something new learnt today!!

How do you check?

 

these have ALWAYS been fitted to my series 2

 

There are star shaped stamps somewhere on the head i think the front left, but as to what stamp means what i dont know lol, Andy at cylinder head developments did mine.

 

FORD CVH ENGINES - WARNING! Some engines are fitted with oversize cams (+0.4mm/0.016") & or cam followers (+0.25mm/0.010") Exterior head lug is stamped C 0.38 (for cam) or T 0.25 (for followers).

 

Good bit of info there for us s2 boys!! Ill be writing that down! Cheers Stephen!

 

Good bit of info there for us s2 boys!! Ill be writing that down! Cheers Stephen!

 

so is it the only one in existence then???!!!

 

in the guys defence dude, i went to ford and enquired about the separate hub part after 1 of mine got cracked, and they said it was standard issue on all RS turbos, and then other models had the built in drumshell/hub design

well all except the van, which had a separate hub piece, but of different dimensions to that of a turbo item

so as to why yours is like that, i wouldnt know, does look a lot like the piles of XR items i found at the escort spares place i use, but who knows. could be anything from a ford factory rareity, to a rear end spruce up back in the day. it is hardly a downgrade so maybe something as simple as it wasnt mentioned. like i say, who knows, but it is certainly weird

 

Agree with you Andy, not sure how many other models had that size drum 229mm, wasnt it the xr4 that had them, wonder if they were built in or seperate???

 

might sound silly, but the drum shell isnt just seized to the hub piece through age is it? lol

 

Can we have a picture showing the whole of the front of the drums please as that does look very much like a 2-piece drum to me.

Base models, GL, 1.3, 1.4 and cheapy 1.6 models had 1-piece drums, which were tapered to the edge and the "better" models had 2-piece drums.

It was all to do with the brake bias valves on the side of the engine bay. Small-drum models had a 70/30 bias split
Big-drum models had a 60/40 bias split.

Part numbers on each drum:
1-piece drum = 81AB 1113 AF
2-piece drum = 86AB 1126 AA
2-piece drum "RS" = V86AB 1126 AA
Van drum = 86AB 1126 AA

Also, on the inside of your drum, you have a part number on the flange part, the number should be one of the following:
2-piece drum = 83AB 1A034 AC (up to 1989)
2-piece drum = 83AB 1A034 AD (1989 onwards)
Van drum = 81AB 1A034 BC

 

I've been in to see my mate at Ford and he say's there is only the one type for the RS Turbo too so it is mighty strange.
Also it would of been better to see the full outside of the drum not only part of it.

 

also, to the keen eyed among us, u might notice the thread for the wheel bolts doesnt start until what seems like past the drum shell casting, as if the hub part is stuck/placed against it



all the 1 piece iv seen are threaded from the very outer face, as threading half way down a hole is a tad hard lol

 

I fucking hope it isnt seized on to it, I bought some drums and had them coated to replace these only to find that these were different. They're at the old mans so I cant check til saturday. Got me thinking now, at the time I went to the bloke who got me them and he said that the other type (1 piece) were a lot dearer so he had got me these hoping they were right. Might have been a bullshitter. Hammer and WD40 time I reckon.

 

u can also kind of see a definite seam around the hub centre casting, as if its pushed through the outer drum section

my guess would be they have been on so long that they have simply welded themselves together, a few taps with a hammer should release it if it is

would explain a hell of a lot though, and im looking through old pics of the back of my old 1 piece drums and the hub looking part isnt as obvious, its cast into the drum more subtly without a definitive round outer to the hub section

 

Im pretty sure there was a part number stamped on to the front of the drum which would suggest its a seperate item to the hub. Wish Id bloody known, the drums I got coated looked the dogs! Think a portion of humble pie may be getting served up soon Its still in the back of my mind that they are one piece as Im sure I hammered the fuck out of them the first time around but you never know.

 

id be willing to bet if u were to put it on an open workbench with the centre hub bit hanging over the middle, and u gave the exposed centre part a smack from the front, the hub part would drop out

all the signs wud say its a separate piece and just stuck lol

easy mistake to make though dude, i only learnt about this whole separate hub thing when mine broke and i drove around various ford dealers and breakers. i was close to assuming i needed sumthin off a focus or sumthin!! plus i even bought a van 1 by mistake which wudnt fit

you could still be right and its 1 piece.........but i doubt it lol

 

so who was right and who was wrong? Does it mater anymore? Does anyone care?

 

Im at heathrow and my drums are in yorkshire, I'll take a look this weekend, my confidence is falling though I must admit.

 

Right, I dont know what joker said that the rs comes with one piece rear drums cos it doesnt!! None of them!!!

I mean why would there be a screw hole for a bolt to hold the drum to the hub if they were one piece, some people.

 

hahaha

got to the bottom of it in the end though