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Old Nov 27, 2008 | 02:40 PM
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Old Nov 27, 2008 | 02:47 PM
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I would love one but just cant justify that sort of money for it.
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Old Nov 27, 2008 | 03:07 PM
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you missed one important word in the thread could

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Got a phonecall from the Ford Dealer in Aberdeen on Tuesday offering me a build slot for the initial run, was needing a £500 deposit.. he e-mailed me the brief bones of the spec and options list, he also seemed to think that it would be around £27k OTR price.


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The quoted prices are just too much. 33k?! Or even 27k is a lot..
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Originally Posted by ultimate sleeper
The quoted prices are just too much. 33k?! Or even 27k is a lot..
I dont see how 27k is a lot.......whats a similar spec R32 Golf
( the nearest direct competitor? ) or how much is a 300bhp 1 Series?
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Originally Posted by Mondeo Man
I dont see how 27k is a lot.......whats a similar spec R32 Golf
( the nearest direct competitor? ) or how much is a 300bhp 1 Series?
A 2.0 Turbo Lancer Evolution X GS FQ-300 by HKS Manual costs £27,499.00 now and I expect it would have dropped in price by the time the focus hits the road.. I know which one I would rather have

The focus is the next generation RS Turbo, except they are pricing it like its a next generation Cossie imho

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Originally Posted by Turbocabbie
A 2.0 Turbo Lancer Evolution X GS FQ-300 by HKS Manual costs £27,499.00
Was that a copy/paste or do you really talk like that??




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My rusty old calibra would do 164, what's the issue?
X amount of bhp (gearing/CD permitting) = Y mph.

If it was this price and 4x4 reckon it would fly out the showrooms.
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Old Nov 27, 2008 | 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Turbocabbie
A 2.0 Turbo Lancer Evolution X GS FQ-300 by HKS Manual costs £27,499.00 now and I expect it would have dropped in price by the time the focus hits the road.. I know which one I would rather have

The focus is the next generation RS Turbo, except they are pricing it like its a next generation Cossie imho
nowhere near as much spec or interior quality tho, spec the Lancer up to the same level if you can and see the price. Are you saying the R32 is grossly overpriced too?

Stop mentioning RS Turbo's you mong its 2008 not 1986.....look at equivalent 300bhp hatches from other manufacturers
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My rusty old calibra would do 164, what's the issue?
X amount of bhp (gearing/CD permitting) = Y mph.

If it was this price and 4x4 reckon it would fly out the showrooms.
Yes because you tuned it, and its a tuned rusy calibra......( add polish and turd acronym at will )

If you take a look around the new car market you'll see not many ( if any ) new hot hatches will do 164 mph in stock trim with a full warranty etc etc
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Originally Posted by Mondeo Man
Yes because you tuned it, and its a tuned rusy calibra......( add polish and turd acronym at will )

If you take a look around the new car market you'll see not many ( if any ) new hot hatches will do 164 mph in stock trim with a full warranty etc etc
You focused on the top speed, not on it being unrusted.
I doubt many are without a 155 limiter anyway.

Rudey, fair enough.
I thought it was for traction, which fwd is gay for.
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Originally Posted by C4llyT
You focused on the top speed, not on it being unrusted.
I doubt many are without a 155 limiter anyway.

Rudey, fair enough.
I thought it was for traction, which fwd is gay for.
I was focusing on new hot hatches too but you chose to mention the modified rusty griffin badged turd.

What are the other drivers gonna do - hold up a sign saying " My car would be quicker without the limiter " as you pass them?

0-60 in under 6 seconds says to me traction isnt bad......and before you mention the wet.....who the hell cains their cars to maximum performance on the public roads in the wet anyway?
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people comparing there calibra's to this?


please
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Originally Posted by Mondeo Man
Stop mentioning RS Turbo's you mong its 2008 not 1986.....look at equivalent 300bhp hatches from other manufacturers
Don't tell me tell Ford, its only them who are still doing the late 80's thing with powerful fwd cars. The industry is more advanced and has moved on with regards to family performance cars.
Unless you want the RS Badge from my opinion In 2008 for 27 grand the RS is far from a bargain

Take the EVO X which is the lowest price guessed for the Focus right now and offers the following:

Recaro front seats
Stereo radio/CD with MP3 compatibility and 6 speakers
Full time 4WD with Super All Wheel Control (S-AWC)
Bilstein shock absorbers, EIBACH springs and stabiliser bar
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18" Enkei alloy wheels

By the time the Focus comes out the specification of the Mitsi would have EVOlved and got better or the car would be cheaper imho

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Originally Posted by Turbocabbie
Don't tell me tell Ford, its only them who are still doing the late 80's thing with powerful fwd cars. The industry is more advanced and has moved on with regards to family performance cars.
Unless you want the RS Badge from my opinion In 2008 for 27 grand the RS is far from a bargain

Take the EVO X which is the lowest price guessed for the Focus now and offers the following:

Recaro front seats
Stereo radio/CD with MP3 compatibility and 6 speakers
Full time 4WD with Super All Wheel Control (S-AWC)
Bilstein shock absorbers, EIBACH springs and stabiliser bar
BREMBO braking system
18" Enkei alloy wheels

By the time the Focus comes out the specification of the Mitsi would have changed and got better or the car would be cheaper imho


and if your after a hot hatch?
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I would love one in white with blue interior
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Originally Posted by Turbocabbie
Don't tell me tell Ford, its only them who are still doing the late 80's thing with powerful fwd cars. The industry is more advanced and has moved on with regards to family performance cars.
Unless you want the RS Badge from my opinion In 2008 for 27 grand the RS is far from a bargain

Take the EVO X which is the lowest price guessed for the Focus now and offers the following:

Recaro front seats
Stereo radio/CD with MP3 compatibility and 6 speakers
Full time 4WD with Super All Wheel Control (S-AWC)
Bilstein shock absorbers, EIBACH springs and stabiliser bar
BREMBO braking system
18" Enkei alloy wheels

By the time the Focus comes out the specification of the Mitsi would have changed and got better or the car would be cheaper imho
And if you're after a hot hatch with a much sharper interior than the Evo and probably half the running costs?

There's not only Ford making them at this price....open your eyes
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I do not think the Focus will be purchased by the readers of practical motoring, it will be purchased by people wanting a family performance car and as such I expect they would consider all the alternatives within the price range and I consider the EvoX to be in that.
I simply think the Focus has lost a lot of potential customers due to the fact that it drives only the front wheels.
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Originally Posted by Turbocabbie
I do not think the Focus will be purchased by the readers of practical motoring, it will be purchased by people wanting a family performance car and as such I expect they would consider all the alternatives within the price range and I consider the EvoX to be in that.
I simply think the Focus has lost a lot of potential customers due to the fact that it drives only the front wheels.
I dont...had it been 4wd and 300bhp it would have been

Slower
Heavier
at least £30k+ in basic spec....far too expensive for a focus

The fact 1300 have been ordered with paid deposits says it all. They have got it right to sell it in numbers
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Originally Posted by Mondeo Man
Are you saying the R32 is grossly overpriced too?
I wonder which has a) the better image and b) which will depreciate faster?
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Originally Posted by Turbocabbie
I do not think the Focus will be purchased by the readers of practical motoring, it will be purchased by people wanting a family performance car and as such I expect they would consider all the alternatives within the price range and I consider the EvoX to be in that.
I simply think the Focus has lost a lot of potential customers due to the fact that it drives only the front wheels.
Exactley,only a fool (or blinkered person) doesn't look what else they can buy for the money.
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Originally Posted by Rich_w
I wonder which has a) the better image and b) which will depreciate faster?

you missed c) a better performance car
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you missed c) a better performance car
Neither! FRS is FWD and R32 is FWD with a bit of 4wd when the ESP allows it.

Fast in a straight line maybe. Drivers tool? Neither to be honest.
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Originally Posted by Rich_w
Neither! FRS is FWD and R32 is FWD with a bit of 4wd when the ESP allows it.

Fast in a straight line maybe. Drivers tool? Neither to be honest.

at only 250bhp and half way through development the FRS did 8 mins 27sec round the ring they said they was hoping for 8mins 15sec when fully finished anywhere near that and i would say its quite a nice performing car all IMO of course
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Originally Posted by Mondeo Man
I dont see how 27k is a lot.......whats a similar spec R32 Golf
( the nearest direct competitor? ) or how much is a 300bhp 1 Series?

I know what you mean mate but I hope Ford will price it like a Ford, very decently

and lets face it, an RS badged Ford usually has to be compared to the next higher class i.e. last FRS was so good they had to bring the scooby and evo in to the equation

do you reckon a performace Golf could come close to a fast Ford hatch? Doesnt happen all the time
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Originally Posted by Rich_w
I wonder which has a) the better image and b) which will depreciate faster?

Image is subjective and going on past performance the RS should hold its value pretty well.

PS. The golf is haldex AWD not 4wd.......as a driving tool it's not that sharp hence most reviewers prefer the gti
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fuck all ya focus rs (posh rs turbos!) cosworths rule!and always will!so have that ya bitches!!!!
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Originally Posted by Turbocabbie
Don't tell me tell Ford, its only them who are still doing the late 80's thing with powerful fwd cars. The industry is more advanced and has moved on with regards to family performance cars.
Unless you want the RS Badge from my opinion In 2008 for 27 grand the RS is far from a bargain

Take the EVO X which is the lowest price guessed for the Focus right now and offers the following:

Recaro front seats
Stereo radio/CD with MP3 compatibility and 6 speakers
Full time 4WD with Super All Wheel Control (S-AWC)
Bilstein shock absorbers, EIBACH springs and stabiliser bar
BREMBO braking system
18" Enkei alloy wheels

By the time the Focus comes out the specification of the Mitsi would have EVOlved and got better or the car would be cheaper imho
That spec you posted is not that good, the old £20K Focus RS had Sparco leather seats, 6 CD changer, Brembo braking system, 18" OZ racing Alloys, Quaife diff, AP clutch, Air Conditioning. Ok it didnt have 4wd but it still went round the top gear track well enough and is widely regarded as a very good car on track.
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Originally Posted by Rich_w
Neither! FRS is FWD and R32 is FWD with a bit of 4wd when the ESP allows it.

Fast in a straight line maybe. Drivers tool? Neither to be honest.

It's not even out yet so how do you know if yo'uve not even touched one let alone driven it.
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it will be a cracking car I'm sure but after expressing initial interest I have decided to can the idea you can guarantee it will be nudging £30K with a nice option bundle thrown in, and with the economy how it is its a lot of money......

plus I have heard nothing from Ford bar a couple of emails so god knows how people are putting deposits down!!!

so for half the money I've ordered an Astra VXR, being delivered Dec 22 job done!

plus the Escort is still tucked up in the garage

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Originally Posted by skeg
It's not even out yet so how do you know if yo'uve not even touched one let alone driven it.
how dare you question him just because it isn't out
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Its about time ford had another rs out.I carnt wait to see them in the flesh.Hopefully people will start to come back from other brands of cars and get back into a rs.
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Originally Posted by Mondeo Man
I dont...had it been 4wd and 300bhp it would have been

Slower
Heavier
at least £30k+ in basic spec....far too expensive for a focus

The fact 1300 have been ordered with paid deposits says it all. They have got it right to sell it in numbers
Why would 30k+ be too expensive for a Focus,when the last Esc Cos were 25k+ back in 1995????

EVERYONE with the slightest bit of knowledge knows that 4WD would be the best route,but as the homologation rules stand at the moment,Ford can just tune thier ST in a much cheaper way!

I'm not saying it will be a bad car,HEY..i'm tempted to buy one myself,but its not the way RS's should be born from,in thier glory days it came from passion and from the best they could do....not a budget!....and this is from a guy that HAS owned nearly every RS,so i know a thing or two!!!

On the plus side,it will be great to see the RS brand alive again and maybe introduced to another audience,that may look up its family tree!
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