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Old Sep 25, 2008 | 03:24 PM
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Default Electricians.. How come my dyno fan switch has sooo many wires?

It's a single fan (quite large) and the control box is a mass of wires, why?

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Old Sep 25, 2008 | 03:41 PM
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It's probably an invertor/speed controller?

Ours is a box of quite considerable size, with 2 cooling fans, so I'm not surprised to see that.
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Old Sep 25, 2008 | 03:48 PM
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looks like a 3 phase motor star delta starter to me complete with a isolater and start/stop push buttons. The star delta starter is a method of reduced voltage starting used on motors over a certain size to reduce mechanical enertia (spelling) and electrical inrush + it has protection for the motor

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franks right,, its a star-delta starting motor!
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Old Sep 25, 2008 | 04:04 PM
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In english your fan is so power full it cannot just start as a normal motor would (genuinely)
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Old Sep 25, 2008 | 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by leecavturbo
In english your fan is so power full it cannot just start as a normal motor would (genuinely)
Cooool Thanks for the explanation guys. Good job I didn't wire it into a 3 pin socket then..
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Old Sep 25, 2008 | 04:13 PM
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if that box ever breaks,,, rip it off the wall and buy a soft start! much nicer way to start a large motor!
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I can also see a latching contactor, presumably so you don't have 3-phase going through the 'on' swtich.
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Old Sep 25, 2008 | 04:23 PM
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i can see the main, star and delta contactor, and a timer to control the transition point between star and delta
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Old Sep 25, 2008 | 04:24 PM
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Proper snakes orgy in there!
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Old Sep 25, 2008 | 04:32 PM
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agree with everything gareth said , haven't a clue what rab is on about.
soft start is nice but Ł500+ just for the starter
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Old Sep 25, 2008 | 04:33 PM
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Looking at the overload it doesn't seem a very big motor,what kilowatt is it ?
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Originally Posted by leecavturbo
agree with everything gareth said , haven't a clue what rab is on about.
soft start is nice but Ł500+ just for the starter
more like 200 quid LOL
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Old Sep 25, 2008 | 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by GARETH T
more like 200 quid LOL
i use telemacanique ŁŁŁŁŁŁŁŁŁŁŁŁŁŁŁŁŁŁ
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Old Sep 25, 2008 | 04:40 PM
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Better off with omron or klockener moeller m8.
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Originally Posted by GARETH T
if that box ever breaks,,, rip it off the wall and buy a soft start! much nicer way to start a large motor!
i can just picture martin doing this

http://www.lionel.com/products/Produ...11000_3489.jpg

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Originally Posted by leecavturbo
agree with everything gareth said , haven't a clue what rab is on about.
soft start is nice but Ł500+ just for the starter

yeah... but when the cost of the rolling road is many thousands...
stuff like that is just 'the little bits you have to have'
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Originally Posted by KSA-Cossie
Looking at the overload it doesn't seem a very big motor,what kilowatt is it ?
7.5 kw, just ran it for the first time It's on lockable castors which I forgot to lock and once started it was off on it's travels big time!!! It's also re distributed every bit of dust in the shop and blown over ladders and other stuff in the way!

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Old Sep 25, 2008 | 05:56 PM
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Are you doing your own mapping or is someone operating the r/r for you?
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Old Sep 25, 2008 | 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Red16
Are you doing your own mapping or is someone operating the r/r for you?
Going to be doing it all myself.
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Old Sep 25, 2008 | 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by martin-reyland
7.5 kw, just ran it for the first time It's on lockable castors which I forgot to lock and once started it was off on it's travels big time!!! It's also re distributed every bit of dust in the shop and blown over ladders and other stuff in the way!

Aye it'll blow skirts up no probs lol.
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ever action has an equal and opposite reaction LOL
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Old Sep 25, 2008 | 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by GARETH T
ever action has an equal and opposite reaction LOL
As said in the film 'snatch'
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Originally Posted by leecavturbo
i use telemacanique ŁŁŁŁŁŁŁŁŁŁŁŁŁŁŁŁŁŁ
So do we but there free!


Just go into store's and get one out
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Old Sep 25, 2008 | 06:06 PM
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if anybody doesn't make the numbers they hoped for they won't beable to blame the fan
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Old Sep 25, 2008 | 06:57 PM
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They´r right, a softstart is a much better system, but this is actually build because it will overload the fuses and powerlines in no time when it starts up, so it will start in star delta and save you from building a HUGE power outlet.
7500watt is about 32 amps and the start current is maybe arr 150amps (cant remember the right formular to this) if it starts up normally, but this system makes it to start up with maybe a third of that.
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7-10 times FLC is a good guild to starting current!

fans are terrible as they need alot of torque to drive, as the load is never disconnected!
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Old Sep 25, 2008 | 07:33 PM
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are we in the middle of an electrical nerd off on PF?
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Originally Posted by CossieRich
are we in the middle of an electrical nerd off on PF?
No,
But check that the overload is set to approx 0.58 F.L.C. (set on the small yellow dial under K.1M)

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Old Sep 25, 2008 | 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by CossieRich
are we in the middle of an electrical nerd off on PF?
I reckon so! Great reading, so much knowledge on here, and what this place should be like
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Originally Posted by CossieRich
are we in the middle of an electrical nerd off on PF?
were all secretly working for reyland as PR nerds

Last edited by leecavturbo; Sep 25, 2008 at 07:51 PM.
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i always set them to 100% running current,, as tested once the unit is operational!
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Originally Posted by focusv8
No,
But check that the overload is set to approx 0.58 F.L.C. (set on the small yellow dial under K.1M)

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Is that directed at me? If so I will check
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Originally Posted by martin-reyland
Going to be doing it all myself.
what ecu's you gonna be mapping ? any/all ?

jim
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Originally Posted by J1mbo
what ecu's you gonna be mapping ? any/all ?

jim
Mainly Pectel as that's my ECU of choice but I will work with others.
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Originally Posted by focusv8
No,
But check that the overload is set to approx 0.58 F.L.C. (set on the small yellow dial under K.1M)

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The 0.58 depends on how your s/d starter is laid out though m8.
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3 pin plug's fine for it,
just remember to use a 13amp fuse, it'll blow a 3amp lol
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Originally Posted by martin-reyland
Mainly Pectel as that's my ECU of choice but I will work with others.
cool !
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Old Sep 25, 2008 | 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by KSA-Cossie
The 0.58 depends on how your s/d starter is laid out though m8.
you are right of cause, if the thermal overload is on the delta contactor it should be set to 0.58 FLC,

i dont really like doing this method, as generally everyone over rates there motor size when designing a system and the motor never runs anywhere near FLC, so i always test!
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Originally Posted by westus1
3 pin plug's fine for it,
just remember to use a 13amp fuse, it'll blow a 3amp lol

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