extremely bad rolling road experience!!!!!!!!!bit Long winded sorry....
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Today i have had the worst experience with my car,to the point i am so angry and feel so ripped off that im at a 50/50 decision weather to just get rid,and give up on the modded fords altogether!

When my 1.9 cvh with big cooler etc was in my frst,it was still running standard injectors,non chip on ofab.I took it to torque of the devil to try and get it setup on standard boost just so that i could drive it.it ran like a pig,had falt spots and splutters throughout the rev range.Chris siad he'd tried his best,but it was running lean so had to abort. He had a no bullsh*t atitude and told it how it was.I could not fault what he did to my car,and did it within an hour.And was more than happy with the job done
Even running lean it was a completely different car.it drove lovely. I since fitted the engine etc into my mk3 cab.I went and got a chip from bayjoo through grove garage for my spec.I fitted integralle injectors,and map sensor and again,the car run like a pig.I was desperate to get the car setup for this weekend(but more importantly just so that i could drive the thing) and torque of the devil managed to pull the strings to fit me in.
When i got there i advised that id been told that the fuel reg needed adjusting to a specific setting.He set out to do that right away.....but he found that the pump would not supply more than 2.7 bar.he aborted the session before he started.He stated it seemed the pump was knackered.It was a standard escort cossie pump.I took the car away,brought a new uprated cossie pump(good for about 450bhp). Obviously they couldnt fit me in till after the weekend but i was impatient. I found a rolling road in weybridge that said they would be able to sort my car no problems,and that they've done loads of them(even though they dont specialise in fords) I explained the whole situation,and they could fit me in this morning.I thought that a car up on a rolling road is pretty simple for the technicians so it sounded good to me.
I turned up i explained again(even though id already meantioned it before) about the fuel pressure needing setting. The matey seting up the car didnt even know where to fit the pressure gauge in the frst rail.I pointed it out..... It then took them 30 mins to try and find the right adaptors to fit the gauge.I also explained that i wasnt sure what boost it was running,as i'd wound the actuator in a few turns as it was set on 7psi and i was aiming for the car to run 18psi. They finally set the fuel pressure then..........................GAVE IT A FULL ON POWER RUN......................WITHOUT A BOOST GAUGE!!!!!!!!!!after he did that i told him about 5 times that i didnt know what boost it was running but he didnt even seem to listen to me.4 power runs later i told the matey there was a take off to fit a boost gauge,he said "ah wicked,saves me a load of work!!!
(he obviously never heard of a T piece then???????)
I then showed them where the co adjuster is and they were really suprised and said "thats cool,are they all fitted with them as standard????" i thought they were taking the piss so i didnt answer.They then stated the car was getting warm and to leave it to cool.(for about 20 mins!!!!!!) and they must of done this about 6 - 7 times(couple of times leaving it for up to 30 mins just sitting there!!!)with them disapearing out back.It turns out the car was only running 7 psi so my heart came back up to my chest.even though they had no clue and neither did i of what it was running.then the bloke would turn the car straight on and give it instant death.it was missing at about 3000 rpm,then would clear itself,then pop and bang at about 5000rpm.They kept doing the same thing over and over again.when they tried to raise the boost with the bleed valve,it wouldnt bleed more than 10psi. To test if it was the bleed valve,they removed it so the pipe was just off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!the boost twanged round to about 25-30 psi,they quickly let off and looked at me happy cos they had worked out the bleed valve was knackered.I said "oh well,i dont want one on there anyway,as i want it adjusted by the actuator(as recomended by the turbo builder). The bloke pissed off again for about another 20 - 25 mins and came back saying he'd modded it.now instead of winding it right in and open it out bit by bit,he just put it on and power runned it.it swang rnd to about 28psi.he kept winding it in bit by bit(power running it every time!! five goes later he was down at about 14 psi but the car popped and banged at 4000 rpm.
They kept saying its your plugs...you need new ones. I then told them THEY ARE NEW,and the leads!they then turned the boost down to 11 and instead of 4000rpm,ti popped and banged at 5000 rpm. They kept turning the fuel pressure down as they said it was running rich.The car stil ran like a bucket of shit.They said (theres a massive improovement now,and youve now got 200bhp....(dead on) and when you came in it only had 170bhp....thats good gains.When i told them with my cars spec i should have about 260bhp,they said,yeah,with new Uprated plugs you would!!!and that because ive got standard rst ones,the boost is blowing the spark out!!!!(AT 12psi!!!) They told me thats all they can do,unless i fit new plugs...four hours later!!!!!!!!!!
They told me that they would do me a favour and only charge me for 2.5 hours.When i told them i wasnt happy with that,they siad,well,chris drew a blank,and we've carried on where he stopped!!!!! i said,no,chris didnt even start the car...(because of the pump issue) and the matey replied..well chris charged you the minimum charge(Ł30 for 1/2 on the rollers) and didnt even flick the switch,and your complaining that im charging you for working on the car.I told them" but what have you done,it still runs like a bag of shit! their reply was,it was really lean when it came in and now its running safe. They then said the map on the chip is shit and i should complain to who i bought it off!!!!can you fucking believe that!!!
they blocked my car in and said i had to pay Ł205!,and they said your lucky we are doing you a favour as we could charge you for 4 hours!
The car runs so bad that it wont even start with the remote start,doesnt idle,and when i got it home ive noticed its puffing out blue smoke now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i opened the bonnet and they didnt even block back up the boost gauge takeoff!!!!!!!
im totally disgusted, and feel robbed, the car is no better off,infact its alot worse as it smokes now..........
sorry for being so long winded,but i wanted to explain the whole situation as im still in disbelief of it all,and want to know if im seeing straight,or if im in the wrong in any way whatsoever to feel the way i feel



When my 1.9 cvh with big cooler etc was in my frst,it was still running standard injectors,non chip on ofab.I took it to torque of the devil to try and get it setup on standard boost just so that i could drive it.it ran like a pig,had falt spots and splutters throughout the rev range.Chris siad he'd tried his best,but it was running lean so had to abort. He had a no bullsh*t atitude and told it how it was.I could not fault what he did to my car,and did it within an hour.And was more than happy with the job done
Even running lean it was a completely different car.it drove lovely. I since fitted the engine etc into my mk3 cab.I went and got a chip from bayjoo through grove garage for my spec.I fitted integralle injectors,and map sensor and again,the car run like a pig.I was desperate to get the car setup for this weekend(but more importantly just so that i could drive the thing) and torque of the devil managed to pull the strings to fit me in.
When i got there i advised that id been told that the fuel reg needed adjusting to a specific setting.He set out to do that right away.....but he found that the pump would not supply more than 2.7 bar.he aborted the session before he started.He stated it seemed the pump was knackered.It was a standard escort cossie pump.I took the car away,brought a new uprated cossie pump(good for about 450bhp). Obviously they couldnt fit me in till after the weekend but i was impatient. I found a rolling road in weybridge that said they would be able to sort my car no problems,and that they've done loads of them(even though they dont specialise in fords) I explained the whole situation,and they could fit me in this morning.I thought that a car up on a rolling road is pretty simple for the technicians so it sounded good to me.

I turned up i explained again(even though id already meantioned it before) about the fuel pressure needing setting. The matey seting up the car didnt even know where to fit the pressure gauge in the frst rail.I pointed it out..... It then took them 30 mins to try and find the right adaptors to fit the gauge.I also explained that i wasnt sure what boost it was running,as i'd wound the actuator in a few turns as it was set on 7psi and i was aiming for the car to run 18psi. They finally set the fuel pressure then..........................GAVE IT A FULL ON POWER RUN......................WITHOUT A BOOST GAUGE!!!!!!!!!!after he did that i told him about 5 times that i didnt know what boost it was running but he didnt even seem to listen to me.4 power runs later i told the matey there was a take off to fit a boost gauge,he said "ah wicked,saves me a load of work!!!
I then showed them where the co adjuster is and they were really suprised and said "thats cool,are they all fitted with them as standard????" i thought they were taking the piss so i didnt answer.They then stated the car was getting warm and to leave it to cool.(for about 20 mins!!!!!!) and they must of done this about 6 - 7 times(couple of times leaving it for up to 30 mins just sitting there!!!)with them disapearing out back.It turns out the car was only running 7 psi so my heart came back up to my chest.even though they had no clue and neither did i of what it was running.then the bloke would turn the car straight on and give it instant death.it was missing at about 3000 rpm,then would clear itself,then pop and bang at about 5000rpm.They kept doing the same thing over and over again.when they tried to raise the boost with the bleed valve,it wouldnt bleed more than 10psi. To test if it was the bleed valve,they removed it so the pipe was just off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!the boost twanged round to about 25-30 psi,they quickly let off and looked at me happy cos they had worked out the bleed valve was knackered.I said "oh well,i dont want one on there anyway,as i want it adjusted by the actuator(as recomended by the turbo builder). The bloke pissed off again for about another 20 - 25 mins and came back saying he'd modded it.now instead of winding it right in and open it out bit by bit,he just put it on and power runned it.it swang rnd to about 28psi.he kept winding it in bit by bit(power running it every time!! five goes later he was down at about 14 psi but the car popped and banged at 4000 rpm.
They kept saying its your plugs...you need new ones. I then told them THEY ARE NEW,and the leads!they then turned the boost down to 11 and instead of 4000rpm,ti popped and banged at 5000 rpm. They kept turning the fuel pressure down as they said it was running rich.The car stil ran like a bucket of shit.They said (theres a massive improovement now,and youve now got 200bhp....(dead on) and when you came in it only had 170bhp....thats good gains.When i told them with my cars spec i should have about 260bhp,they said,yeah,with new Uprated plugs you would!!!and that because ive got standard rst ones,the boost is blowing the spark out!!!!(AT 12psi!!!) They told me thats all they can do,unless i fit new plugs...four hours later!!!!!!!!!!
They told me that they would do me a favour and only charge me for 2.5 hours.When i told them i wasnt happy with that,they siad,well,chris drew a blank,and we've carried on where he stopped!!!!! i said,no,chris didnt even start the car...(because of the pump issue) and the matey replied..well chris charged you the minimum charge(Ł30 for 1/2 on the rollers) and didnt even flick the switch,and your complaining that im charging you for working on the car.I told them" but what have you done,it still runs like a bag of shit! their reply was,it was really lean when it came in and now its running safe. They then said the map on the chip is shit and i should complain to who i bought it off!!!!can you fucking believe that!!!
they blocked my car in and said i had to pay Ł205!,and they said your lucky we are doing you a favour as we could charge you for 4 hours!
The car runs so bad that it wont even start with the remote start,doesnt idle,and when i got it home ive noticed its puffing out blue smoke now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i opened the bonnet and they didnt even block back up the boost gauge takeoff!!!!!!!
im totally disgusted, and feel robbed, the car is no better off,infact its alot worse as it smokes now..........
sorry for being so long winded,but i wanted to explain the whole situation as im still in disbelief of it all,and want to know if im seeing straight,or if im in the wrong in any way whatsoever to feel the way i feel


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Don't want to sound like a cunt,but,you should have waited to go back to totd imo m8,saying that the other place sound like right bell ends,you should have buggered off soon as you got there .
shame you were inpatient mate (im the same!
), fucked everything up for you
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you gotta be patient in the future and best to book into grove as its their chip your using
however chris todd can get it running good also but he cant adjust the map on the chip like grove/ahmed can

you gotta be patient in the future and best to book into grove as its their chip your using
however chris todd can get it running good also but he cant adjust the map on the chip like grove/ahmed can
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Further proof that owning a rolling road does not make a garage an expert.
Serious point now, and not wishing to rub salt on the wound, but did you actually check their credentials before taking it to them?
Feel for yer chap though - that is shocking.
JJ
Serious point now, and not wishing to rub salt on the wound, but did you actually check their credentials before taking it to them?
Feel for yer chap though - that is shocking.
JJ
I would have said stop working on my car. I would have done this when it became obvious he didnt have a clue where to fit the fuel pressure gauge.
Last edited by Nash; Jul 31, 2008 at 05:30 PM.
gutted for you mate; but who were they?
to be fair hindsight is a wonderful thing; but if it were me, as soon as i had any inclination they didnt know what they were doing i would of been off out the door
at least you know that good things come to those who wait
to be fair hindsight is a wonderful thing; but if it were me, as soon as i had any inclination they didnt know what they were doing i would of been off out the door
at least you know that good things come to those who wait
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KSA-COSSIE - yeah tell me about it. im really angry with myself to be honest. I should of told them to get the fuck off my car long before i did.I just really wanted it sorted as its been off the road for 6 months and was just desperate to get it on the road as i was lossing interest in the car and was getting to the point where i just wanted rid. The car has cost me around Ł1800 in the last 3 months alone and still runs like a bag of shite.
gavstyli - i would of taken it to grove but i really didnt fancy driving it far and they are right over the other side of london to me,and didnt want the extra cost of getting it trailered over there etc.
shorty - i didnt really have much of a choice as they blocked my car in........they obviously knew id kick off. I didnt want to get nicked by the old bill cos i could quite easily lost the plot.......but then again there was 5 of them...and just me!
i did try to look up on them,but didnt find anything negative,or positive on them,and knew they'd been there for a long time so i took that as a all ok.
i kept telling myself surely the'd get there in the end

i should of just waited for totd
whats worse i took it out on my fiance....im a bastard
gavstyli - i would of taken it to grove but i really didnt fancy driving it far and they are right over the other side of london to me,and didnt want the extra cost of getting it trailered over there etc.
shorty - i didnt really have much of a choice as they blocked my car in........they obviously knew id kick off. I didnt want to get nicked by the old bill cos i could quite easily lost the plot.......but then again there was 5 of them...and just me!
i did try to look up on them,but didnt find anything negative,or positive on them,and knew they'd been there for a long time so i took that as a all ok.
i kept telling myself surely the'd get there in the end


i should of just waited for totd

whats worse i took it out on my fiance....im a bastard
Should have told them to invoice you for the full amount and that they would receive payment within 30days of the invoice date then told them to move the car blocking you in (illegal) or your phoning the police.
Then not paid the price on the invoice (there not going to take you to small clams court for Ł200 its just not worth the effort because you would be able to pay them back @ 50p per week or something to really piss them off lol
Then not paid the price on the invoice (there not going to take you to small clams court for Ł200 its just not worth the effort because you would be able to pay them back @ 50p per week or something to really piss them off lol
Thats unbelievable
I know hindsight is a brilliant thing but I wouldn't of given them a penny AND I'd be coming away with my car. Theres to many horror stories about Bonanza Motorsport outfits for me to even contemplate giving my car to someone I don't know.
Gutted for you, its a lesson harshly learnt and I hope you get it sorted in the end.
Alex
Feel very sorry for you mate.
That garage sounds like a bunch of no nothing fuck witts,argh i hate garages like this,ive had a few near misses in lincoln with a well known branch,not on this scale though,but i told em where to go,which as you know already you shouldve done and as you know you should have been patient with TOTD.
This is one reason why people give up on rsts,cossies etc,because garages rip em off or fuck your car up making you spend more even though they have made it worse,which in turn makes owners sell up because most people cant afford to keep them.
Is there no legal action you can take?
Dan
That garage sounds like a bunch of no nothing fuck witts,argh i hate garages like this,ive had a few near misses in lincoln with a well known branch,not on this scale though,but i told em where to go,which as you know already you shouldve done and as you know you should have been patient with TOTD.
This is one reason why people give up on rsts,cossies etc,because garages rip em off or fuck your car up making you spend more even though they have made it worse,which in turn makes owners sell up because most people cant afford to keep them.
Is there no legal action you can take?
Dan
you should have phoned the police and told them the garage was preventing you from taking your car back. if you tell the police you are not avoiding payment but disputing the amount and offer to pay a nominal sum. it then become a civil matter for the small claims court and not a police matter for non payment. the police will allow you to remove your car then.
thats a piss take
if i took my car any where & they didnt listen to me the car wouldnt have even got to the rollers. if it got to the rollers & they didnt check the things asked of them before giving it rock all it would be out of there before they had chance to think about it
if i took my car any where & they didnt listen to me the car wouldnt have even got to the rollers. if it got to the rollers & they didnt check the things asked of them before giving it rock all it would be out of there before they had chance to think about it
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all they kept saying was...im 90% sure its your plugs blowing out!!!!!! and that theyve never had a customer say they didnt want them to not change the plugs!!!(trying to make out its my fault) they said that they can only work with what they've got and if i dont let them change the plugs hen what do i want from them. And they said its obvious that if its a uprated engine,then it needs UPRATED plugs. And when i told them "uprated plugs for 12psi????" they just looked at me and said you obviously dont understand....its not ur fault u dont understand!!!!!!i said surely,if the plugs were fucked,it wouldnt of just allowed the boost to twang round to 30 psi without no popping and banging would it??" he said " it didnt go up to that",so i swiftly replied "well cossie 4x4 t3's dont high pitch chatter on rst engines with blow off valves fitted runnin on 12psi of boost do they??" and he just looked away and tried to ignore my answer like i didnt know what i was talking about.
I didnt know where i stood with it all,and i really didnt want to get nicked( ive never been in a situation like this) so i paid....even though i wanted to punch the fuckers face in. 5 - 1 isnt good odds though.
i dont know if i really want to name them...........
I didnt know where i stood with it all,and i really didnt want to get nicked( ive never been in a situation like this) so i paid....even though i wanted to punch the fuckers face in. 5 - 1 isnt good odds though.
i dont know if i really want to name them...........




