What diesels are there out there that are quick or even quicker with a re-map??
They need to be quite big and also have some toys??
Looking at anything upto 14k?

Thanks
Nick

 

bmw 530/535d sport...fapping fast and even more after a map

a4 2.5/3.0 tdi will be too

 

your spoilt for choice!

i think basically any mainstream modern car is available in diesel now days.so its more u think of a car u want and get the diesel version.

as mentioned something prestige like a bmw or the other end something like a golf or mondy.

the misses has a golf Gt Tdi 150bhp, which is plenty quick enough, quicker then the gti 1.8turbo anyway

a exhaust and remap/chip easily sees 200+

better turbo and intercooler etc you can even push 250+

one question tho...why diesel? i have them cos i prefer the driving style and simplicty/strength and the torque you get.

if its for economical reasons, only way you will see a return is if ur a motorway commuter. due to diesel being soooooo expensive now and diesel cars commanding a higher price than petrol cars on purchase (especially on a private sale).

 

not strictly true, 50mpg vs 30mpg..........soon adds up

i understand they cost more to buy, but they also keep there value better

go diesel, as long as you dont need real preformance

 

I've got a Mondeo ST TDCi, its nippy enough and with Bluefin, you have a fast car. Its well kitted out, it'll be under your budget. Only thing I'd say is you get around 40-43mpg out of it which is not the best, but still better than petrol.

Just make sure you get one with Xenons, Sat Nav and the Bluetooth phone option, they tend to hold money a bit better aswell.

 

yeh i suppose, there will be a diff between 30 and 50mpg. but you have to take in to account diesel is at least 12p more expensive which has a big impact on the over all ratio! its not a straight 30 vs 50mpg as the two fuel prices are different.

As for "Real performance" you may joke but in year or two, i wouldnt be laughing. diesel is the way foward, and will soon easily trounce almost any petrol road car!!
seat leon tdi in the BTCC was pole position last week for the race.

im looking to buy the mk5 golf gt tdi 170 bhp. have seen these babies well over 250bhp with just a simple chip and zorst and the torque will piss over any petrol turbo!

 

i'm a diesel engineer so i understand a little about them

you may say that, but while they invest all this money in making high performance diesels, they also invest fortunes into petrol engine technology and ways of making them return more mpg

 

530d Sport or 330d Sport would be my choice. Should get a very nice one for your budget and have plenty of cash left to do what you want with.

 

Diesel drivers always go on about torque, but thats not what makes fast cars. I have a diesel Ibiza Cupra with circa 240bhp and 400lb/ft torque, but any 200hp petrol car will beat me in a race, because the gearing isn't there to make it any other way.

Dont get me wrong, its perfect for a fast road car, great up to 100ish mph (scaring big power cars between 20-80), but ultimately, a current petrol car will always be quicker.

 

very true....my friend had a remapped skoda fabia VRs that was similar in performance to my stage 3 saff between 80-100mph (him in 6th me in fifth) but would still only manage a 15 1/2 sec quarter

diesel drivers always rant about torque but its not much use with only a 2000rpm power band

 

A lot of the Leons are pretty quick, and nice cars too

 

Just bought a Leon fr derv 170 to replace my St3 focus, pretty boring car tbh and sounds shite compared to most petrol engines and horrid compared to the silky 5 pot in the ST , but doing 18k a year its saving me shit loads on juice and the fact the focus did less than 25mpg i can see them being hard to sell for decent money in a few years

 

I hatel the ruff sound especially when cold,
I hate expensive repairs when the fancy injection system goes wrong,
I hate the narrow power band,
I hate how tons of torque kill your drivetrain but you're still not moving forward because its only there between 2500 and 2510 rpm
I hate that most of them are absolutely useless under 1500 rpm so you still have to shift as much as in a petrol 4-cylinder car.
I hate the exhaust smell,
hell I even hate how the oil looks like after a few hundred miles.

 

Loads of them so you need to define "Quick" really.

 

Just to make a point its not that easy to get 200+ hp from a PD 150 engine - Im trying to make 220 - 230hp at the moment on my golf and its very expensive.

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Cheers
Bobby

 

What about the new Renault Megane sport diesel, i think it's 175bhp as standard, you could easily get that to 200 bhp. My personal favourite would be a 535d M sport though.....

 

Should have started with a PD160

Dont get me wrong, mine hasn;t been cheap and I cant guarantee it is 240bhp, but it shouldn;t be far off from other figures I've seen.

Its not cheap for tyres and wheel bearings though

 

Auris SR180s are REALLY good, handle and stop properly too, not just a diesel shopping car thats quick with a remap.

177bhp and 295lbft as standard.

Ours has 190bhp and 350lbft with a remap, as well as a much wider powerband which has given it 10mph more on the top speed, and thats quite low bhp for one of these engines remapped, presumably as its still tight as it only got a few thousand on the clock, as have seen IS220D's which have the same engine push out similar torque but more like 215bhp.

Properly quick now, I mean beating genuinley quick cars style quick

 

530D immediately springs to mind, 220 brake after a remap on the old 184 brake, and god knows the torque.
For 14k may be looking nearer 250 brake, not looked into the ones out of my budget
Sat nav, tv, etc etc etc, and it's an E39, a very well regarded car indeed.

 

Remove the Bluefin and go for a Remap and your MPG will increase considerably.

Thurbly 888 Astra would be my choice of fast diesel.

Benni.

 

Got to watch the boxes, clutches etc on some of these mentioned, torque kills.
So start with a car with a great whack of torque, and one that can take a shitload more, 530D.

 

Hi whats the spec of your's and what clutch are you using? My terminals with just a remap were 90mph and i've read ppl with 230ish hp pull around 96mph.

You ever done a 1/4 run in the PD160?

Cheers
Bobby

 

Just noticed my thread about my Golf has been deleted WTF??

 

Standard Engine, and Intercooler (PD160 has a front mount), Intercooler piping and clamps replaced, Green panel filter and smoothed air box, milltek turbo back system with cat replacement pipe, bigger turbo (GT28RS i think but will double check when home) and a Custom Revo map.

Never done a 1/4mile with it. I barely even drive it. My girlfriend uses it, and TBH most of the work was done to it, just because . Its very rarely used to its full potential.

Its an APR clutch with single mass flywheel

 

A colleage of mine is selling a BMW 330d sport coupe on a 05 plate for less than your budget. It's a proper mint car 1 owner FBMWSH too

 

yeh in the 1/4 mile and racing argument. but in the real world, with traffic and speed limits the petrol car will not "ALWAYS WIN"

dont forget the chap posted about an everyday powerful diesel, hes not looking for a track car or a 1/4 sprinter!

And im sorry but i dont know what diesels you have driven but the toruqe is noticble. especially on a motorway doing 50 in 5th you can just put ur foot down and it will pull like a train to 70. no change down needed as in a petrol to get to 70 in the same time frame.

and as for power band. i had a play with my golfs turbo last week it now spins up at 1500 and will boost all the way to 5000. yes admitadly especially 1st and 2nd gear are a bit short. but this is only a problem if ur doing 1/4 mile starts everytime u stop

I Dont wana start an argument, i love petrol too, hence why theres an escort cossie in the gararge.

but in the real world the every day world, a high power diesel is better in every way.

 

Not happy to pull from 1000 revs in any gear like my car I find, utterly useless until turbo comes.
I know it's only a gear change, but you do enough of them in a diesel anyway...

 

I agree, but far too many diesel drivers go on about how 'fast' there diesel cars are, and in terms of ultimate speed, a petrol will be quicker.

But as you say, in the real world, a diesel while not necessarily quicker, is usually easier to drive, for your average person.

I dont mean that torque isn't noticeable - I just mean that torque doesnt make fast cars. BHP is where its at ultimately.

For a road car, I cant see myself ever going away from diesel. I just feel that a lot of peoples claims, are slightly biased, due to the fact they now own a diesel car.

 

My diesel will pull from 1200ish revs. I cant say that any NA petrol car has pulling power that low in the rev range

 

I can say, think of a few that will happily pull, whereas a diesel will sit there all day not pulling.

 

I'm not sure where your getting that idea from, but you should probably try driving a modern diesel car. Mine is making more torque at 1200rpm than most 2.0litre petrol cars do anywhere in the rev range. I'm not sure what you class as pulling power low down the rev range, but IMO thats what the torque is all about. Not that it really matters, coz proper drivers dont want to boot it at 1200rpm, and would downshift anyway.

 

spot on

mine will pull from 1000 no problem in any gear, in the cossie you could make a cupa tea before it came on boost in the same situation

 

Fair enough, have driven many modern diesels, and know what I mean, didn't think it was that complicated...
I wasn't on about out and out torque, or pull, or decent acceleration, just the ability to leave it in gear down to 1000, and get away again, be lazy.
Have owned many petrols that would happily do this, even in top, and suits me.
Have driven lots of diesels, and they would just not accelerate.
If I'd said 1200 revs, your reply would be valid to my point, but I didn't.
I also mentioned you could change gear, no shit.

Didn't realise diesel drivers still had the syndrome, lol.

 

honda civic don't ponce around with a 2.0 when you can have a 2.2

 

Have you read any of what I posted. I have no syndrome or illusion about diesel cars. I just know when someone is talking shit.

 

what 30mph in 5th gear like the taxi drivers

 

he isnt talking shit.

1200-1500revs maybe, but he not talking about that, he on about the fact diesels at around idle speed, ie pre turbo even on the ones with the smallest turbos, usually just judder like fook n try and stall or just dont accelerate at all at best.

petrols, if you REALLY that lazy that you are trying to accelerate from idle speed, have far less issues.

but obv from slightly above that revs the turbo torque means it flys low down. then dies top end, but hey.

 

Tell you what lads, I actually prefer driving my TD Focus as opposed to my S1 under normal conditions......S1 is quicker, but the torque and laziness of my Focus is so much nicer.

 

True.

My dad had a bmw 320d M sport as a courtesy car whilst waiting for BMW to prep his newly bought 5 series and he was rolling along and had it in 2nd gear at about 5-10 mph and the engine didnt like it ONE BIT. sounded like a tractor that just had a bunch of spanners shoved down its intake and needless to say stalled.

Trying to set off at an idle pace without giving it a lot of gas, diesels will struggle.

Other than that though, even the 320d was a PEACH on the motorways and pulling through 30-50, 40-60 etc etc. Mid range was phenomenal!

 

neither would a petrol