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Old Oct 22, 2004 | 10:22 AM
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Whats the most power available from a standard RS with basically just a chip change (a Karlos Von Powermaker chip )

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Old Oct 22, 2004 | 10:28 AM
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170bhp

Little Joe has just bought exactly what you are on about and i took it out the other night, loads of fun and 100% reliable
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Old Oct 22, 2004 | 10:29 AM
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hmmmmmmmm..

Just thinking of getting a battered old RST to smoke around in on track days etc seeing as how i wont have my cossie
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Old Oct 22, 2004 | 10:32 AM
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MY OLD ONE MADE 143BHP WITH A STAINLESS
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Old Oct 22, 2004 | 11:04 AM
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what would i need to do to get it to 200bhp? Thinking stripped out (so less than a tonne) with just 2 seats in it
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Old Oct 22, 2004 | 11:19 AM
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Not too much.

Chip, zorst, filter, intercooler, cam and a pukka set up should see you not too far shy of the mark.
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hmmm, sounds like my little track toy is gonna be expensive
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Mike it will need a good cooler and a bigger turbo- just anyold cossie turbo.

Best bet is just to chip it for some fun and cut a hole out in front of the standard cooler.

Will look a bit shitty but it will work

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J,

I guess i could do that at first, and then get another bumper and larger intercooler at a later date and rechip as i wanna use it on the road too
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Mike it will need a good cooler and a bigger turbo- just anyold cossie turbo.

Best bet is just to chip it for some fun and cut a hole out in front of the standard cooler.

Will look a bit shitty but it will work

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Or cosh a 2wd Cooler on there. It can be done for not alot of money.
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Old Oct 22, 2004 | 02:23 PM
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Was always under the impression a standard RST head won't flow enough air for 200bhp.
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I reckon we should organise a 'Ł1000 RS Turbo Track Car project', where entrants must buy and prepare an RS Turbo for the track for under Ł1000 (including buying it) and the winner is the fastest around the track!!

Quality idea I think!!
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Originally Posted by EvilFranky
Was always under the impression a standard RST head won't flow enough air for 200bhp.
PMSL. I made 250bhp and over 150mph on a Standard head!!
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Old Oct 22, 2004 | 02:37 PM
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I make 230bhp on a TOTALLY standard head, incl the cam and vernier
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Old Oct 22, 2004 | 02:39 PM
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Well i've been well misinformed then.
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Yes you have LOL

btw, my whole engine is 8 years old nearly, so wonder what it'd make with a new unworn cam
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Old Oct 22, 2004 | 03:03 PM
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I got karls chip, -34 + 3 way bleed valve and made 156bhp on the rollers with 212 lb's of torque, not bad for Ł350
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nice torque figure
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Originally Posted by EvilFranky
Was always under the impression a standard RST head won't flow enough air for 200bhp.
i got 201bhp from stand head!....
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my mates car made 197 at 18psi on a totaly standard (brand new main dealer) engine with a filter exhaust and chip. Its been argued before that it didnt and the rolling road was wrong cause to get that power a 5th injector is needed but the print out said 197bhp so thats what i belive.
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Originally Posted by Alps Pacino
Its been argued before that it didnt and the rolling road was wrong cause to get that power a 5th injector is needed but the print out said 197bhp so thats what i belive.
PMSL with the 5th injector rubbish, if you have a FULLY working metering head, it can be tweaked to produce 250+ bhp

I state FULLY working
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Old Oct 22, 2004 | 03:36 PM
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at about 46psi though wasn't it??

Originally Posted by Christian and Beccy
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Was always under the impression a standard RST head won't flow enough air for 200bhp.
PMSL. I made 250bhp and over 150mph on a Standard head!!
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PMSL with the 5th injector rubbish
that was the chairman of our local rsoc group who argued that it had more like 170bhp max cause the engine was standard and no 5th injector, he then took offense when i called him a knob and said he was talking shit.
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Old Oct 22, 2004 | 04:36 PM
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Jon, spike of 32psi!! held 26psi AFAIK

I have a 5th injector on mine (ERL MF2 Driver and Dark Green Injector) only because metering head I have doesn't fully operate as it should
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Old Oct 22, 2004 | 05:23 PM
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ive got ported head,,,charge cooler, zorst,,, 285t2 cam vernier,,, & soon i mite chip it,,, so il let ya know what it gets if i do
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Old Oct 22, 2004 | 05:28 PM
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Max you'll get with jsut a chip and actuator change will be 175bhp and about 200lbft running about 14psi.
I added a PE head and cam and made 195bhp - that was a sweet conversion! hardly any lag and a huge power band!
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i bought a xr3i with rst lump (fully working NO smoke!!!) for 100 quid,have since acquired a bayjoo chipped ecu,d/v(dont like them but cant get chatter and need a noise!),it came with a stainless exhaust(dunno the make but no middle box dont look restrictive!) bleed valve,px induction kit from a mate for free,my group a coil off me old cossie,c59c's off me old cossie,needs a new actuator but it goes quite well! is completely stripped now too!only 2 seats and a dash left!gonna try and make it 200 ish bhp,only spent 100 smackers still! so i reckon i could have it all done for 300 odd quid all in! so what else do i need?gonna get a -31 then turbn the boost up to about 18-20 psi i suppose!do i need a cam?if so whats best?or can i get mine reprofiled?and i am getting a pace cooler for nowt too!
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all i got is a chip an water injection upped boost n she makes 195bhp/228lbft
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Old Oct 22, 2004 | 07:43 PM
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Neo, but you're running stupidly high boost on standard compression!!!
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stupidly???? i think not..its been running this boost for a year safely
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I could quote what BHP mine has made at what PSI but no-one ever believes it so no point really But engine condition seems to make a big difference to power output
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ive got 200 bhp on a stan- head aswell
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Originally Posted by Jon ERST S2
at about 46psi though wasn't it??

Originally Posted by Christian and Beccy
Originally Posted by EvilFranky
Was always under the impression a standard RST head won't flow enough air for 200bhp.
PMSL. I made 250bhp and over 150mph on a Standard head!!
Yeah!!

Well, actually it was as James stated. I ran 26-28psi held and sometimes saw spikes of up to 32psi.

That was also on a bog standard bottom end, except that it was fairly low comp.

Others have said that you can get to 175 bhp with a Chip and -31 Actuator. I disagree, I think you also need a GOOD Stainless exhaust, like a Mongoose. An Bigger Intercooler is required to get beyond this point. Also, 200bhp is difficult without at least a Stage 2 Turbo.

Oh yeah, it MUST also have the Fumes Mod.......
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Originally Posted by AndyRST
I could quote what BHP mine has made at what PSI but no-one ever believes it so no point really But engine condition seems to make a big difference to power output
Not sure why though, because yours made 220+ on 2 different sets of rollers, didn't it?? Also it is a quick car on the road.
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Originally Posted by AndyRST
I could quote what BHP mine has made at what PSI but no-one ever believes it so no point really
I heard it was standard Andy
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Andy, you're right mate
good engine condition plays an important part
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Old Oct 23, 2004 | 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by NEO™ŽŠ
stupidly???? i think not..its been running this boost for a year safely
ok then, very high boost for a car using a standard compression bottom end
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Pebbles is a 1.9 tho, so it would go well

Mine made 200 horses with standard head and cam plus the standard turbo. Gearbox is rattly tho As standard, best you can muster is 170 bhp with about 14psi, anything above that on the standard cooler and act's will go through the roof
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Originally Posted by Christian and Beccy
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I could quote what BHP mine has made at what PSI but no-one ever believes it so no point really But engine condition seems to make a big difference to power output
Not sure why though, because yours made 220+ on 2 different sets of rollers, didn't it?? Also it is a quick car on the road.
Yeah it has, but its still gets disputed that it cant possibly make that sort of power running a std head, std turbo, std cam ...etc

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I could quote what BHP mine has made at what PSI but no-one ever believes it so no point really
I heard it was standard Andy
PMSL @ PON, it was enough power to give your ol' scabby Saff a run for its money with times set at Santa Pod a couple years back

Dan, its a 1.6 I would be disapointed if it was a 1.9 because if it was a 1.9 it should be keeping up with TT's flying machine
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Originally Posted by AndyRST
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I could quote what BHP mine has made at what PSI but no-one ever believes it so no point really
I heard it was standard Andy
PMSL @ PON, it was enough power to give your ol' scabby Saff a run for its money with times set at Santa Pod a couple years back
Leave it out! I was doing my makeup in the rearview mirror and missed the start
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