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Old Feb 7, 2008 | 08:39 AM
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Exactly what will i need to get to run als on my 3 door and who shall
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Old Feb 7, 2008 | 10:19 AM
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motorsport developments mate check out the web or call stu and the boys
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Old Feb 7, 2008 | 10:22 AM
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www.remapping.co.uk is the web site buddy
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Old Feb 7, 2008 | 01:09 PM
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This is what you need:
A large ALS valve which replaces the standard idle valve
(So, kiss your idle speed control good bye)
Water Injection (To keep inlet temperatures under control)
A turbo with Mirram shaft (anything else will melt)
Exhaust temperature sensor (highly recommended)
Software for your ecu to control the ALS and the water injection.
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Old Feb 7, 2008 | 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by oldford
This is what you need:
A large ALS valve which replaces the standard idle valve
(So, kiss your idle speed control good bye)
Water Injection (To keep inlet temperatures under control)
A turbo with Mirram shaft (anything else will melt)
Exhaust temperature sensor (highly recommended)
Software for your ecu to control the ALS and the water injection.
Total rubbish m8 you've been smokin to many joints

Call stu @MSD m8 he will inform you correctly.
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Old Feb 7, 2008 | 06:20 PM
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Ah, another fan of El Cheapo Tuning.
Be my guest and do it the cheap way and live with the loss of power.
Then watch how your turbo will be destroyed.
Or even worse, how brake lines will melt due to high temperatures.
I hope you have a fire extinguisher.
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Old Feb 7, 2008 | 08:24 PM
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I'm 120 % certain if it was in anyway dodgy then stu would not sell it.
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Ah, another fan of El Cheapo Tuning.



why do you say that??
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Old Feb 8, 2008 | 10:14 PM
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nice i will try stu and see what he says
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Old Feb 8, 2008 | 10:25 PM
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Wi to keep the temps caused by the anti lag under control...

Is the water being sprayed onto the turbo?
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Old Feb 8, 2008 | 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by KSA-Cossie
Originally Posted by oldford
This is what you need:
A large ALS valve which replaces the standard idle valve
(So, kiss your idle speed control good bye)
Water Injection (To keep inlet temperatures under control)
A turbo with Mirram shaft (anything else will melt)
Exhaust temperature sensor (highly recommended)
Software for your ecu to control the ALS and the water injection.
Total rubbish m8 you've been smokin to many joints

Call stu @MSD m8 he will inform you correctly.
How do you do it then dude?
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Old Feb 9, 2008 | 07:11 AM
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I don't have it on my saph but trust MSD 150 %
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Old Feb 9, 2008 | 07:45 AM
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Does anybody here fully understand what is happening in an engine when the ALS is active?
Exhaust temperature will reach 900 degrees Celsius and sometimes even 1000 degrees. This is measured a few inches after the turbo. The temperature inside the turbo will be 100 - 200 degrees Celsius higher.
A standard turbo shaft works up to a 1000 degrees, above that it will melt.

Intake air temperatures will reach 50 - 60 degrees Celsius. i.e. a drastic power loss will occur. The only way to prevent this is water injection.

Now I am talking about a real ALS system, as used on Escort Group A and WRC rally cars. I do not mean any system that will make a lot of exhaust noise and that's it. A good ALS system will produce 0.5 - 0.8 bar boost at 1400 rpm with a single large ALS valve. On a WRC with 2 of these large valves you can get 1.0 to 1.5 bar boost at 1400 rpm.

Also realize that when this system is active, you should drive the car differently. The only good way is all or nothing on the throttle. You can't feed the throttle as the ALS stays active for a small throttle opening.
But when you do floor the throttle you will have 4 spinning wheels even with warm slicks on dry tarmac.
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Old Feb 9, 2008 | 07:58 AM
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IIrc MSD were getting 28 psi on a t4 with their als.
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Old Feb 9, 2008 | 12:18 PM
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mixed feelings on here then i will be ringing stu tho. Does any 1 know a price for it
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http://www.remapping.co.uk/
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I'm having mine done at MSD in april and have heard nothing but good things about their work.
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Old Feb 9, 2008 | 04:20 PM
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CANT FIND THE ALS ON HIS SITE
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Old Feb 9, 2008 | 04:24 PM
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Best to e mail or phone them really m8.
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Old Feb 9, 2008 | 04:48 PM
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Yeah gonna have to what alters the size of the flames some i have seen
are tiny if any flames while others are flooping HOOOGE
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Think it depends on how agressive you want your als.
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Old Feb 9, 2008 | 04:51 PM
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Well i want MAHOOSIVE flamage
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I willl ring stu for a nice chat on monday me thinks tell him exactly
what i want and how much i have to spend
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Good lad.
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Old Feb 9, 2008 | 04:55 PM
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I want to scare the old biddys and nosey gets in my street they are all
quite stuck up i have moved in to a very posh street
Lets see how long it stays posh for
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they used to moan about the s1 dumping on them
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I bet theyre gonna love the cossie spitting flames @ em
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Default Re: als

Originally Posted by oldford
This is what you need:
A large ALS valve which replaces the standard idle valve
(So, kiss your idle speed control good bye)
Water Injection (To keep inlet temperatures under control)
A turbo with Mirram shaft (anything else will melt)
Exhaust temperature sensor (highly recommended)
Software for your ecu to control the ALS and the water injection.
Im totaly with Oldford on this one I have all of the Above

Would like to add stu will probebly recomend / use the above anyway so no need for everyone to get there kncickers in a twist

Edit just to add: i have an ALS throttle body that has been machined out to flow more air and also my ALS Valve is just my standard one that has been again Machined to suit
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