just coming back on a piece of private test track i know
accelerating hard in 5th gear got to about 115mph and then there was such a bang then a real loud sqeeling noise ,anyway ive lost 3rd 4th n 5th

how much we talking 4a stage 2 cts box? any ideas?

ive had 4 rs turbo now and ive had 2 put a box in all of them

 

I've just put the 13th 'box in mine.

I don't think the Stage 2 'box will be the end of your problems either. They aren't invincible from what I hear.

 

can i have your old box mate after summat that needs a rebuild

 

stage 2 from the gearbox man is around £900+ and thats exchange.

 

sure u can have it.....come take it out and its urs

 

my new stage 2 plus cts gearbox is being delivered on monday

for the new box, delivery, new gallon of gearbox oil and NO exchange unit it was approx £1650

lets hope it lasts for that money

 

 

My CTS Stage 2+ box was £1300 with an exchange unit about 3 and a half years ago.

 

The web prices must need updating then as it says £895 for a stage 2 box on there

 

imo its pointless buying the cts stage two when one of the weakest bits is the gearset has to be a stage two plus, i know of a number of reasonable powered cars which have broke the gear teeth, go straight for the stage two plus saves you having to upgrade at a later date..

christian on a previous post you where stated that the mtx75 gear set is no bigger then the bc box, i dont think the size difference is plain to see but there is definatly a difference, plus how many high mileage mondeos or mk5/mk6 escorts do you hear with gearbox trouble the fact is you dont. In standard form the mtx75 is a very strong box just think how strong it would be if it was modified to the same spec as the stage two plus.
The gearboxes are relatively cheap but to fit them to the mk4 escort properly is not going to work out cheap, i still wish i went down this route but now i've gone beyond that point with the way my fiesta is structured and i have just spent £700 on a set of drive shafts so i would have to change a lot of things.
metal fatigue will get the better of the bc box cts dont ever say the gearbox will handle x amount of power and never will, sunny stage two plus withstood many a top speed run and sprints but when he sold it to pf user sid he broke it with 318bhp.
i went through seven gearboxes before i discovered cts i broke a stage two stripped fifth gear teeth, since going to a stage two plus i have never suffered from a broke box but the box has been off yearly for general maintance and loads of parts have been found to be worn. cts had my box in a month ago for a final drive change but yet again there were quite a few worn parts so these were replaced.
i dont think these problems would happen with the mtx75 the cars i know running this box never had any problems, but like i said before the power handling capability of the mtx75 will be put to the test very soon.

thanks

sean

 

i know its alot of money but i cant weld or re paint my own engine bay so it would be no cheaper to buy an mtx box and fit a new quaife lsd and pay a company to modify and fit it all in there, plus i would have to re make the hydrolic clutch set up i have now and relocate the oil cooler etc so i cant be arsed,

cts stage2+ bc is a straight swap so lets see how it goes with this box

 

yes and another £750 unless you use your current gear set bernie will only use a new gearset to shot peen and polish.. mk YOU WILL DESTORY the gear set then you'll kick yourself for not going stage two plus, well you have already paid out so i suppose you have no choice.

sean

 

im sure his is the stage2+ that his ordered

 

as gus says above and i clearly wrote it is a STAGE 2 + that i have being delivered on monday















































fooking better be anyway as thats what i paid for

 

arrrrrrrrrrr i'm blind as fook sorry mk


sean

 

which final drive are you running now mk 3.82?

sean

 

stupid spending money on the bc/ib. It WILL break. MTX is needed, and it can be done for a LOT less than the CTS stuff costs. I have only recently broken my totally std box after 8 years of abuse. I'm replacing it with another cheap std s/hand box. It'll last just as long as any uprated BC, then it has to be MTX.

 

yes mate, standrd s2 ratio, i sold the 3:33 gearbox as it realy slow'd me down

3:82 is and all round perfect box or me, great acceleration and good 1/4 mile gearing and 150mph + top speed

hoping to beat the 12:6 1/4 mile tho now i have R888's

 

has anyone here done the mtx75 conversion as planning on doing it but i believe the input shaft is bigger so does it go straight on engine as this will save me time scratching head wondering why they wont go together

 

rick if your car dont break a standard box fast its not very powerfull,ive broken all of bernies boxes all gearsets exp the stage 2 plus, thats been fine,if my box was standard i recon i could break it the same day or very soon after . IMO. go straight for the stage 2 plus gearset,thats what ive found.

 

fook me that expensive

its a solid box tho, is it not?

 

yeah a very solid box so i hear,

many people say the same as above that the stage 2 is a waste of time if your running big power so go straight for the stage 2 plus so i did

 

i hope so

 

seems like its the best off the shelf option

 

well god knows what i will get when mine gives up
























i do know, just hope i get time to save for it

 

you'll need different clutch due to there being more splines, driveshafts,engine mounts,gear linkage, and a modified chassis leg, the bell housing bolts line up but thats about it..

sean

 

i have had my final drive changed to a 3.58 to gain more top speed and to help with my 1/4 sprints.

sean

 

gus just make sure after a few events have your gearbox looked at you'll be surprised at the amount of worn parts even if the car drives ok, get to the worn parts before they fail.

sean

 

but at last years daddy thrash you said top speed was for fcuking nutters and we wee all crazy
















































then you did nearly 150mph i think without even trying

 

mk the fastest i've been in ther fiesta before the daddy thrash was 130 and i did'nt feel safe then, but at the daddy thrash once i got grip i got up to max speed so quick its was really uneventful and as you could see by my standing mile everyone was at max speed when they were timed i started to slow down which is why i only recorded 90mph.. it just was'nt as bad as i first thought and yeah your right i was'nt really trying so next time i will be trying my hardest and i wont back off until the last minute done 154 but my final drive was holding me back with my new spec my rev range should be a lot better. hopefully with all my new bits i can achieve some good times... there been a steady improvement from you will be interesting to see what your car does in all events and i hope gus car is done by then..

thanks

sean

 

Tim, i strip the gears but haven't done a bearing. I think it's just luck really. I very rarely launch it - new box will prob last a fraction. I just dont see point in spending 1k+ on a BC that may be say 10% stronger. MTX is a ball ache, but only reliable solution.

 

rick your joking right? 10% stronger then a standard box no chance m8 more like 100% stronger, mtx75 is definatly the way forward i went through seven boxes one lasting me an hour (layshaft bearing broke) standard bc box just not man enough..
my advise to anyone looking for a strong box for there fwd ford go through the expense and fit an mtx75. also many of the cars running mtx75 have not had the chassis leg strengthen the ones i've seen the chassis leg been cut in a way i would hate to see the state of the car after a low speed crash.

thanks

sean

 

you're saying as modded bc is twice as strong as a std one? I can't see that. And yes, i totally agree - MTX all the way!

 

I've been thinking about the very same thing...

 

Whats the limit on a 6 speed ST170 Getrag box?

 

more than you will ever run i reckon mark

 

Are there any ballpark power figures for the CTS BC boxes in each spec?

 

is your box still going strong???sorry about the old post

 

i agree

 

MK broke his car a while back so its not in the same car I expect unless it went with the engine.