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Old Sep 23, 2004 | 05:05 PM
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Default E46 M3 vs 430 bhp Saff 2wd over 1/4 mile

I know it is vague as it gets, but if the two cars above went for it on the strip, who would cross the line first?

Your thoughts dudes??

Incidentally, the saff has std!! rims, coilovers with damping optimised for best launch. The car's general spec is low comp, T4 and greys, BD 14's etc etc. Would a T35 turbo allow a better and more controlled launch?The car has a quaife ATB

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Old Sep 23, 2004 | 05:06 PM
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I would like to see the BMW lose just because it's a BMW. I think those M3's are abot the 340bhp mark so I would have thought the Cossie would stand a very good chance
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Old Sep 23, 2004 | 05:08 PM
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you will win easy.
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Old Sep 23, 2004 | 05:11 PM
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I'm thinking that fellas, but didn't want to get too cocky about it.

I'm not a beemer fan at all

Bloke at work here giving it the large over his new Beemer, driving me mad, So I said, 1/4 mile, you'll be coming in second!

Then my brain started working!!

19 inch rims on the Beemer, 10 inch at the rear, loads of torque without the lag, and then the horsepower gap seems to be insufficient??

Leave the T4 on there??
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Originally Posted by Weeksy
I'm thinking that fellas, but didn't want to get too cocky about it.

I'm not a beemer fan at all

Bloke at work here giving it the large over his new Beemer, driving me mad, So I said, 1/4 mile, you'll be coming in second!

Then my brain started working!!

19 inch rims on the Beemer, 10 inch at the rear, loads of torque without the lag, and then the horsepower gap seems to be insufficient??

Leave the T4 on there??
lots of torque....dont thinks so. 360Nm....with stage 2 you can get more.
dont get me wrong.....the new M3 is a nice car.
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Old Sep 23, 2004 | 05:19 PM
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Blimey,

I thought it would have punched itself off the line, because of that big six. I'm feeling more smug all the time
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Old Sep 23, 2004 | 05:40 PM
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Whats 360Nm in lb/ft?
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Old Sep 23, 2004 | 05:43 PM
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no cosworth will win
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Old Sep 23, 2004 | 05:51 PM
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Of course the cossie will win. I think the new M3 dont even have 300 lb/ft of torque.

Only if u get a good launch mind.
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Old Sep 23, 2004 | 06:01 PM
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yes m8 pratice your launch he has no chance
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Originally Posted by Oranoco
Whats 360Nm in lb/ft?
about 270lbft
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you will win no doubt at all about it, raced one in my 330 saff 2wd and beat it so if you got 400+ you WILL blitz it,

if you dont either dont tell us lot or burn ya car
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less than my 1.6
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i hate bmw and the m3 they should go and race things like golf gti and audi a3 a4 all cossy can blow a bmw away sorry if youve got 1 but i still hate them i can tow the bmw m3 faster than it can drive .................................
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Old Sep 23, 2004 | 06:36 PM
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Saff all the way.

M3's are cannon fodder for stage3 4x4's, even with rolling start.
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Originally Posted by abdr500
i hate bmw and the m3 they should go and race things like golf gti and audi a3 a4 all cossy can blow a bmw away sorry if youve got 1 but i still hate them i can tow the bmw m3 faster than it can drive .................................
ya havin a laff though, they driven by cocks but the m3 is still a fukin quick car
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Old Sep 23, 2004 | 06:45 PM
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Weeksy,
You should beet the M3 over the 1/4,but the m3's with SMG and launch control are not slow !

If you need a 100 horse more to beet it,shows how good it is !

You won't beet it round the track ! They Handle mega !
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i think m3s are stuck in reverse anwayyyyyyyyyyy good luck not that you need it
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you will beat it comfortably as long as its dry
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Old Sep 23, 2004 | 09:13 PM
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If you got GENUINE 430BHP you will eat the bmw..

My friend had a 2wd saph who dynoed 430bhp, an that is a 12sec car on the 1/4mile!!

Be sure to film if youll race him to prove to the boys here who thinks the beemer will win... NO CHANCE!!!
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the strut brace, yea i no bmw are driven by cocks but i have had people driveing them hard as fuck and they only make more noise
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Old Sep 24, 2004 | 10:13 PM
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An E46 M3 driven well will do the qtr in the low 13's at around 105mph.

with a T4 powered cossie if you fuck your launch which is all too easy, you're history, so don't count your chickens just yet!
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Originally Posted by FAST COS
Weeksy,
You should beet the M3 over the 1/4,but the m3's with SMG and launch control are not slow !

If you need a 100 horse more to beet it,shows how good it is !

You won't beet it round the track ! They Handle mega !
I have a mate with a e36 shape m3 evo with the SMG box.And to be honest the gearbox is shit.I could chnage gear quicker and smoother.So unless the new shape has a better box i would call that an advantage.
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Old Sep 25, 2004 | 09:21 AM
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The new E46 M3 box is a great improvement over the early one's you will probably lose the 0-60 but win the quater mile, go for it.
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Old Sep 25, 2004 | 09:26 AM
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I'm with Karl on this, it's all in the launch! Mess that up and you have lost.. once you've bogged down on a T4 there is no coming back

Get some spring assistors on the back and some sticky tyres and give it all you got! You certainly can win but it's not that easy!
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Old Sep 25, 2004 | 05:45 PM
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have a mate with a e36 shape m3 evo with the SMG box.And to be honest the gearbox is shit.I could chnage gear quicker and smoother.So unless the new shape has a better box i would call that an advantage.
The SMG Box on the E46 is totally different. Has 6 settings on how fast it changes gear !

And launch control which is amazing for a standard car !

Again, Just shows how good the M3 is if you need a 100bhp more to beat it !
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Old Sep 25, 2004 | 05:58 PM
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I raced an M3 at the Pod two years ago, back to back three times.

In all three races, it was soooooo close - all 13.7/13.8s

Not quite sure why people slate the M3 so much though? Sure, it has the BMW badge, but it's one of the best balanced chassis for a road car available.

And what's all this "you'll destroy it" nonsense. 2/10s of a second is fook all. That's the equivalent of saying that you just thrashed the opposition football team 1-0
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Originally Posted by RichardPON
I raced an M3 at the Pod two years ago, back to back three times.

In all three races, it was soooooo close - all 13.7/13.8s

Not quite sure why people slate the M3 so much though? Sure, it has the BMW badge, but it's one of the best balanced chassis for a road car available.

And what's all this "you'll destroy it" nonsense. 2/10s of a second is fook all. That's the equivalent of saying that you just thrashed the opposition football team 1-0
no doubt about it that a new M3 is a graet car.

i've raced one on a freeway from 100km/h till 240km/h.
it was not faster then my 4wd saph stage 2. and not slower either.
the bloke liked it like i did.
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At ultimate street car a mate did consistant 14sec 1/4's could not get better after about 6 runs.....
The car was running 20" wheels with 305/30/20 tyres!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, but this was a cabriolet (more weight i guess) and it was delimited (not that it should matter on the strip).
The owner was pissed as he could not better another mates time from japfest for a celica GT4 he did 13.9 with 280bhp.
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bmw m3 are quike but after driving and moding a cosworth thers no looking back at a m3 as thers not much you can do to them thats why cossy are so tuneable and fast i no some one with a 600 bhp m3 and his using nitrous to keep up with a stage 3 cossy 2wd and even top end the sapp has it at top end so its allll noise and not alot of action the plastice is good thous it doesnt crack but thats a bout it ow and ther not strong they smash to fuck when having a 20 mph colision sorry to m3 owners if thers any
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ther not strong they smash to fuck when having a 20 mph colision
name a modern car that doesn't?

all modern cars are designed to
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i raced an m3 up the slip road and he was toast - funny thing was it was an old mate who only had the car a few months - gutted was an understatement
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Old Sep 26, 2004 | 07:55 AM
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600bhp m3 using nitrous to keep up with a 330bhp saff,

that'll be 600 ' B ullshiit H orse P ower '

get real ive raced one in my genuine 33obhp saff and there was next to nothing at all in it so either somebody is talkin shite or .................................................. ..................somebody is really talkin shite
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I think somebody is talking shite!

At Ford Fair 0-60's there were a number of big power Saph's that bodged their launch and struggled to get under 7 seconds, a BMW M3 Cab, think it was an R reg, did run after run in the low 6's and high 5's. I know this is over a 0-60 and a 1/4 will be a different story, but as said before it's all about the Saph's launch. Nail it - You Win. Bodge it - You Lose!
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Lets not forget the m3 is standard cant see you losing though with 400 horses
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If you are not a good enough driver to launch a saph then you shouldnt own one, own an m3 instead
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i would rather drive my sapp in revers and put my seat facing the back window and driving in revers then haveing a m3 i love my ford cosworth and will never by any think german like i siad soory to thoes that love ther m3 as its clearly a personal choice her but to say that a m3 is std its not as i comes out off the show room with over 300 bhp and others dont so with another car runnig that same powere as the m3 its clear that a cossy runing the same bhp will obleviate a m3 its only that cosworth have to be tweeked up to 350 bhp to race it ...its like saying would you race a nissan micra its not your size coz a micra is shit but what if it had 400 bhp then you would race it as it becomes your size ..i would say to the guy that is going to race that m3 you will win you dont need that 100 bhp more to beat it just have the same hores powere and you will piss it
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Originally Posted by abdr500
i would rather drive my sapp in revers and put my seat facing the back window and driving in revers then haveing a m3 i love my ford cosworth and will never by any think german like i siad soory to thoes that love ther m3 as its clearly a personal choice her but to say that a m3 is std its not as i comes out off the show room with over 300 bhp and others dont so with another car runnig that same powere as the m3 its clear that a cossy runing the same bhp will obleviate a m3 its only that cosworth have to be tweeked up to 350 bhp to race it ...its like saying would you race a nissan micra its not your size coz a micra is shit but what if it had 400 bhp then you would race it as it becomes your size ..i would say to the guy that is going to race that m3 you will win you dont need that 100 bhp more to beat it just have the same hores powere and you will piss it

, are you pissed or just iliterate what planet does that make sense on???

micra?????
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what im trying to say is race some thing more your size if youve got 430 bhp and he wants to race you with a 350 bhp m3 then race him but his not you size as you will blow him away thats it no more debayting over m3 ther crap 2wd cosworth are runin things and four wheel drive
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