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Old Mar 6, 2007 | 09:11 PM
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Default square beams... why has nobody done a copy?

as above really, they seem so simple? someone could make some tubular arms and sell as a setup!? it it more complex than it looks or something?

anyone?



P.S. if somebody wants to lend me theirs so i can make a copy, it's be much appreciated!
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Old Mar 6, 2007 | 09:42 PM
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Old Mar 6, 2007 | 10:16 PM
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there not that simple, its not a simple bit of square box section, there is quite a bit of fabrication involved.

To get it to work right and last involves quite a bit of work.

Depends where you start from really, i.e fabricate from new, or chop onto an old arm.

I much prefer the 1st idea, and fabricate a completely new arm.

There are also about 4-5 different way to do it.
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Old Mar 6, 2007 | 10:18 PM
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Why copy something when you don't know exactly how/why it works? And if you do, surely it then makes sense to fabricate from scratch....
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Old Mar 7, 2007 | 09:18 AM
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Danny B is working on one as we speak.........fingers crossed
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Old Mar 7, 2007 | 09:27 AM
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And you may not realise there are 6 different versions that I know of....so you could end up back at (square) 1...pardon the pun....
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someone should make a tidy wrc replacment setup, lateral linkages
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Originally Posted by jbrayley
Danny B is working on one as we speak.........fingers crossed
This is correct but like Ryan says there is alot more to them than just a box section, Each mount is in its place for a reason and the slightest differents would effect the whole handling, also there are lots of gusseted areas which make it more complex. I've only chose to do a few due to demand as the ones I'm making are already sold, after that we'll see how well they perform and decide wether theres a market for more.
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Old Mar 7, 2007 | 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by GARETH T
someone should make a tidy wrc replacment setup, lateral linkages
This is something I'd like to do when a customer steps forward!
Shame I dont have a cossie anymore as I'd do one for myself.
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Old Mar 7, 2007 | 09:33 AM
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i fucking hate th semi trailing arms with a passion,, the loci of motion is far to complex for my little brain
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Old Mar 7, 2007 | 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Danny B
Originally Posted by GARETH T
someone should make a tidy wrc replacment setup, lateral linkages
This is something I'd like to do when a customer steps forward!
Shame I dont have a cossie anymore as I'd do one for myself.
Danny, PM a price of how much something like will cost and we'll talk
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Old Mar 7, 2007 | 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Danny B
Originally Posted by GARETH T
someone should make a tidy wrc replacment setup, lateral linkages
This is something I'd like to do when a customer steps forward!
Shame I dont have a cossie anymore as I'd do one for myself.
can bring the rs200 over if you fancy trying that?
as a development car (has all the same pick-up points as a cossie)

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Originally Posted by Danny B
Originally Posted by GARETH T
someone should make a tidy wrc replacment setup, lateral linkages
This is something I'd like to do when a customer steps forward!
Shame I dont have a cossie anymore as I'd do one for myself.
I am sure there would be a lot of people interested in this setup, just the price is the main concern i guess
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Old Mar 7, 2007 | 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Danny B
Originally Posted by GARETH T
someone should make a tidy wrc replacment setup, lateral linkages
This is something I'd like to do when a customer steps forward!
Shame I dont have a cossie anymore as I'd do one for myself.
if you fancy building one just for the sake of it .. let me know. i dont mind not paying honestly .. i will let you fit it aswell if you want
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Old Mar 7, 2007 | 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Danny B
Originally Posted by GARETH T
someone should make a tidy wrc replacment setup, lateral linkages
This is something I'd like to do when a customer steps forward!
Shame I dont have a cossie anymore as I'd do one for myself.
Glad to see there so much interest but please note that I said a customer(i.e someone who pays me to do the work) lol.
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pm sent danny

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Old Mar 7, 2007 | 03:43 PM
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danny what style beam and arm have u got?

before i send this Y link obviously it may not fit dependant on the track of the beam/arms.

I would offer my offer for the WRC conversion, but its just been painted so would mean alot of repainting
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theres plenty of square beams about but you really need to speak the rally boys for those parts

most clubmans and grpa cars use these some have the magnesium arms aswell
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Old Mar 7, 2007 | 05:31 PM
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Marco, I thought Mag arms wouldn't be good for a road/track car though?

Danny, PM a Price of how much you think a set up like that would cost.
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Originally Posted by Fastmaul
Marco, I thought Mag arms wouldn't be good for a road/track car though?

Danny, PM a Price of how much you think a set up like that would cost.
With the Mag arms you will rpob need to get them stripped and painted once a year to protect them from salt on our lovely british roads
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Originally Posted by Danny B
Originally Posted by Danny B
Originally Posted by GARETH T
someone should make a tidy wrc replacment setup, lateral linkages
This is something I'd like to do when a customer steps forward!
Shame I dont have a cossie anymore as I'd do one for myself.
Glad to see there so much interest but please note that I said a customer(i.e someone who pays me to do the work) lol.
eh ??? you were going to do yourself one ... so just think of my car and make one
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Old Mar 7, 2007 | 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Fastmaul
Marco, I thought Mag arms wouldn't be good for a road/track car though?

Danny, PM a Price of how much you think a set up like that would cost.

erik

your right , for road no good good for track/race /rally car only


I could have fitted a proper Grp A back end on my sierra yrs ago with the proper hubs aswell but decided not to because my car is a road car and the arms wouldn't last 5 mins on the road
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Old Mar 7, 2007 | 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by GARETH T
someone should make a tidy wrc replacment setup, lateral linkages
Gareth ,
Someone already does ! But i reckon no-one would pay for the chassis mods let alone the cradle , besides why bother on a road car , it'd make precious little difference .
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Originally Posted by jbrayley
Originally Posted by Fastmaul
Marco, I thought Mag arms wouldn't be good for a road/track car though?

Danny, PM a Price of how much you think a set up like that would cost.
With the Mag arms you will rpob need to get them stripped and painted once a year to protect them from salt on our lovely british roads
Our roads here in NYC are worse
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Old Mar 7, 2007 | 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Tony Ryan
Originally Posted by GARETH T
someone should make a tidy wrc replacment setup, lateral linkages
Gareth ,
Someone already does ! But i reckon no-one would pay for the chassis mods let alone the cradle , besides why bother on a road car , it'd make precious little difference .
what uprights would you use then?£££££££
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Old Mar 7, 2007 | 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Tony Ryan
Originally Posted by GARETH T
someone should make a tidy wrc replacment setup, lateral linkages
Gareth ,
Someone already does ! But i reckon no-one would pay for the chassis mods let alone the cradle , besides why bother on a road car , it'd make precious little difference .
well i didnt know anyone was

and as for why bother,,, some people just love to spend (big) money on there road going cosworths,,, so i just thought there might be a market for them

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Originally Posted by TF Rallyesport
Originally Posted by Tony Ryan
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someone should make a tidy wrc replacment setup, lateral linkages
Gareth ,
Someone already does ! But i reckon no-one would pay for the chassis mods let alone the cradle , besides why bother on a road car , it'd make precious little difference .
what uprights would you use then?£££££££
you already know the answer tim

Gareth ,
even people who want to spend because they can would want to justify the expense surely , i spend all day telling them not to bother
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have you seen some of the cars build,,, open checkbook jobbies,,, no real thought


i cant spend a pound without thinking about it
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Old Mar 7, 2007 | 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by GARETH T
have you seen some of the cars build,,, open checkbook jobbies,,, no real thought


i cant spend a pound without thinking about it
and there was me thinking the welsh were too tight to spend a penny
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you need to have money to be tight,,, that rules me out
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