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Old Jan 13, 2007 | 07:14 PM
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Hi lads as i am restoring my car i will be replacing all the brake lines and i was just wondering if you can get braided brake lines to replace all the brake pipes i all ready have the four normal ones you can buy so i was just thinking of doing the rest in braided ones if you can get them, so if any one know where i would be able to get these from would you be able to tell me

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Old Jan 13, 2007 | 07:37 PM
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you can get them made up but obviously no matter how strong the braid is the hose will still expand to some degree giving a spongy-er brake pedal feel compared to solid pipework.
Not something I would do
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Old Jan 13, 2007 | 08:24 PM
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good enough for plenty of race rally cars
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Old Jan 13, 2007 | 11:16 PM
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some people dont half write some bollox
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Old Jan 14, 2007 | 07:22 AM
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who me??


i have seen quite a few cars with braided all the way throu, thats why i said
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Old Jan 14, 2007 | 09:39 AM
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No not you gus
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Old Jan 14, 2007 | 01:38 PM
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cussing people is always a better option than educating people.

Kinda of make you wonder if some people actually know if a braided hose has expansion compared to a pipe... or if the braided hose used in a WRC car is the same grade materials as used in the braided pipes for production cars..because it was never stated

Ive seen cars with full length braided but was of the opinion that it was not great for road use...and has no benifit

Shame that I missed the opportunity to learn something, but you do find that people with incredible knowledge, rarely make mistakes or get misinformed.. perhaps they fail to see that others are less perfect, maybe it explains why these people react as they do
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Old Jan 14, 2007 | 04:19 PM
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NUTS RuS can we have some sort of order on this thread please

What would you know anyway, anyone would think you rally your car the way you've gone on













































Oh yea true you do don't you
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Old Jan 14, 2007 | 04:43 PM
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solid pipes are deffo the way to go but braided lines have a big improvement over rubber ones and will handle well over and above the kinda pressures ur chucking at it for long periods of time
i'm sorry but i don't know anywhere that do these off the shelf mate to answer ur original question.
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Old Jan 14, 2007 | 05:31 PM
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I wud agree with chunt69 solid pipes, but replace the rubber flexi hoses with braided items, all that's required for road use really! And they're available from places like rally design or burton power!

I do have a question tho, say you're running Cossie 4x4 calipers on ur S2, what braided hoses do you need, ERST ones or Sapph 4x4 ones?

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Old Jan 14, 2007 | 05:34 PM
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i think its only the lengths that are different to different kits you can get




sure someone will know for sure thou
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As far as I know you can run standard ERST braided hoses with cossie 4x4 front calipers. It’s only when you change over to the 2wd cossie calipers you need to change the hoses to a banjo fitting as the standard hoses would catch the driveshaft.
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Old Jan 14, 2007 | 07:59 PM
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Pukka! Cheers lads!
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Old Jan 15, 2007 | 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Moonie
As far as I know you can run standard ERST braided hoses with cossie 4x4 front calipers. It’s only when you change over to the 2wd cossie calipers you need to change the hoses to a banjo fitting as the standard hoses would catch the driveshaft.
in the front jupp, but in the rear its the same
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Old Jan 15, 2007 | 04:09 PM
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mate

If you have a PIRTEK near you - i used them to make up my own braided pipes - you buy lenghts and adaptors. Bit fiddly but looks great and does the job...

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Ive been to Pirtek and LONG ago and they said they no longer deal in the types of pipe that are suitable for brake fluids......
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Old Jan 15, 2007 | 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by UnseenMenace
Shame that I missed the opportunity to learn something, but you do find that people with incredible knowledge, rarely make mistakes or get misinformed.. perhaps they fail to see that others are less perfect, maybe it explains why these people react as they do
maybe it does

However if you still want to believe that your foot pressing a pedal and a servo creating a pressure of about 1/5th of what the hose is actually rated to (well in excess of 3000psi) will make it expand then maybe we should leave it there.

But you are correct some people often do report a more spongy pedal feel, this however is caused by the larger bore pipe creating a greater volume of fluid in the system. This larger volume has to be shifted further so to do it the pedal has to travel more. In race applications we counteract this by changing the master cylinder size to compensate

So how when I only change the small front lines do I get a better pedal feel is often the next question.

Well the same principal applys, in that you have removed a relativly large bore old worn flexible rubber hose, and replaced it with a smaller bore fresh line. This smaller bore carrys the pressure better so the pressure/torque balance is increased slightly and the pressure/volume decreased slightly

Hope that somehow explains my comment above mate, and sorry you got upset
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Old Jan 16, 2007 | 07:36 AM
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Sorry Mate, been a couple of years since I used them (SLough Branch) when i did my Saff.

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Originally Posted by NUTS RuS
Hope that somehow explains my comment above mate, and sorry you got upset
I have no problem with being wrong, or an idiot as I have much experience of being both... the majority of my knowledge is what I learn of other people and as such If I need to be corrected the only thing that upsets me is when I am not

Better to look foolish once than for ever
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