I would like to see some top footage of Stavros drifting please. He seems very critical of people on here when it come to this subject, what series does he compete in, where did he get his practice in? etc etc I know he gets drift days with magazines, in carltons and volvos and has an Sx budget drift car so post the footage
I want something to aim for whie having a mess about in my motor, some top drivers out there and I am in awe of the D1 guys, they do so well to even qualify, with the speeds and control they show

 

I'm sure Stavros will come out fighting

Most of us cannot drive a rally car flat out, especially on a loose surface.....But after seeing Marcus Grondholm go through a particular sequence of bends/hairpin, and then seeing Matt Wilson in an identical car do the same sequence you automatically see the difference and become a critic of Matt's (relative) lack of comittment/skill/speed.

Just an example to show that you dont have to be any good at something to be a critic

 

Mr C

Where are these turbos you have for sale?

 

 

how are you sorting the sierras crap lock for drifting Mr C?

 

You got my PM RWD cossie Wil?
There are mods to be done mate, they range from changing steering rack and modding front beam to usual spacers on rack arms to suit and indeed a mix of the two but I will run std rack for now till mods can be tested

 

Cossie Rich I have 2x turbos, a .48 T34 Ł400 and a .63 ALS T34 Ł650 I need to sell at least one to fund my new engine, both in Vgood condition 360 bearing, -31s etc Will update my for sale post as soon as I can.

 

Yeah I got that once when I commented on a load of slope heads going sideways round a track and doing a shit job of it too smashing into each other old Stavros was giving it I bet they can drift better than you and half the people on this forum blah blah blah

Who gives a fuck


Luciano

 

Yes I get your point Doug Its just that Ive had PMs and text messages asking if he is qualified to comment, and I really dont know, not a dig though as the amount of posts he puts up knocking people or belittling efforts makes me think he must be pretty good and be at least a licence holder and maybe compete??? yes/ no anybody? so fair play to him

Im in it for the fun for sure and would hardly comment negatively on something unless it was so bloody easy and I thought someone was taking the piss trying.

 

steve never admits to be a drifting god, he is quite critical of his own ability

 

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Still want to see some of the days he attends though, the recent fast ford shoot looked gud fun , but apparently you can learn fuck all in conditions like that, shame cos thats all we seem to get here in blighty, bloody weather tut

 

Actually Mark, in Steve's defence, he knows exactly how good he is (or isn't) at drifting.

However, I'd say he probably has as much experience as anyone on here, and is probably one of the best...... which just goes to show how poor most people are.

P.S. Get that bloody car finished!

 

Is he really that good then, would really like to see footage, he is very critical so guessed he would be well seasoned at it , fair play I cant wait to have a play myself ha ha.
I know how good I am too... a bit better than the maccy Ds crew but worse than the car park cossie drifters still, got to start somewhere

Progress is being made RichardPON, will be moving onto the engine and fuelling next month so get me a decent price on -6 90degrees for the boot and bay and hoses for the engine bay if you still can

 

Well put Doug, good point!

Just to comment for Steve, he quite regularly says he needs practice at his drifting and doesn't confess to be the dogs bollocks at it!

He know's he's got some practice to do , fair play to him!

 

Indeed, not a dig, I really do want to see how good he is We all need to practice, even "Drift King"

 

A topic by stavros from another forum...

Also taken from his sig...

 

What the fucks this about

I take it this has been majorly edited by the thread starter as it was more abusive and gay before?

Ive never claimed im good at drifting, ever, as im not. There countless threads on here where I say im shit (in my opinion, in the grand scheme of drifting), never mind anywhere else!

Without wishing to sound offensive though, i think im SHIT in the grand scheme of things as i know how good proper drifters are, but at same time im 100% i can drift better than your average joe in his RWD car (even in my 100quid volvo TBH), as i know what its like, as I was one of them as i was hooning round like a nutcase in my 3dr for years before I ever tried properly drifting, and EVERYONE thinks its massivley easier than it really is once they try properly.

Ive been drifting for i dunno, a year and a few months, and go out practicing nearly every night lately in the Volvo (on my own, sly places, not chavvy cruise showing off shit, want to get good, nowt else), as the SX is getting made silly, and ive killed both the 24V Senators
And im still not that good in my eyes.

Im critical of peoples suggestions when people ask for advice quite often as they totally wrong.

Im critical of people saying they could do better or its not hard as they blatantly couldnt as everyone totally underestimates how hard it is to do it properly. (ie hold it for a long time or initiate it properly without just power oversteer)

Im critical of people wanking off over amaaaaazing cossie drift vids that are a few donuts or whatnot.

But thats it, never claim to be owt, TBH im prob too hard on myself, but when a lot of people ive known really well for years win events and whole championchips, in the grand sceme of things, i dont think im owt.

Amen

PS, cheers to OrionRS for them quotes, good one Had a feeling you would be someone on here

 

I am sure he can drift much better than i can !...

I can get the arse out, but its having the courage to keep it there I admire !!!

 

I haven't read all this, but I have to ask one question. Do you have to be able to actually [i]do[i/] something to be able to be critical of someone else doing it??

Take Murray Walker, for example. Is he a Forumla One driver?? No, but he sure can pick a good driver out from a bad one.

Steve has been to alot of Drift events and had alot to do with the scene, so I'm sure he has a fairly good ability to be able to constructively criticise. He seems to have a fairly 'technical' view of it too.

 

Put it this way, I can (most the time, but no way nail it every time, just not consistant enough yet) do laps of big roundabouts (ie proper 3lane big fuckers, not donuts round little ones as per ace cafe chav donuts) sidways in a 95bhp 100quid full weight shitbox volvo with no mods barring a welded diff, and then transition left to drift off the exit. (and obv thats massivley harder than with something with power and decnet suspension)

But thats dogshit in the gand scheme of drifting, and thats 2nd gear 40-50-60mph stuff, not 4th gear 125mph mental shit etc etc the pro's do.

Christians right about the technical view of it too, I understand how it all works, mostly due to doing it for the last year and a bit (trust me, watching shite drift bible DVDs and shit wont teach you owt, contrary to popular myth ), and tho its not long enough to get good, i know what works and what dont...

 

is good for coming sideways out of scrap yards too! i just grip the door handle everytime we get near a roundabout now as you caught me out a couple of time when just driving to get bits etc!

 

Thats always in heavy traffic too so cant really do much.
You need to get down here late when i can properly av it, Wilson has been a passenger for one of them, he can vouch for it, was fun that.
And Mat and Pea from work who was convinced they was going to die the other night

Tis best when Jeffs out in his S13 for some twin drifting, thats when it gets extra dangerous But its an extra person to push the car back out the bushes tho

Then again youl be livin this way soon so its easy then

 

dovboy off here is pretty good at drifting isn't he?

 

whats a ALS247shaft ?

 

Dunno who that is myself, but Jeek off here is VERY good

 

A 247 Maram shaft in the turbo, which means the turbo is more resistant to the extra heat generated when Anti-lag is used.

 

NP Thanks for the help.

 

Please join the "Steve told me some harsh truths about drifting and it made me cry" line please.

 

Stavros

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuW8gU176lw

Maybe not great but that can't be easy in a 2wd Saph with Kev Sharp's old engine

 

heres a random matt black s13 doing a few laps,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Djg0H4HQe38

 

Heres a vid of 'toff' off here

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?...77314&q=cossie

2nd roundabout is elongated not a perfect circle

 

it is easy because its the absolute basics of drifting(good way to start for beginners).
the main thing is to have fun in a car that doesn't cost much i.e max 1-2k first,the cars we have had are a manta,m535i,s13's,s14 and a ldv convoy

i'm not great at it but i intend to try hard to get better and above all just have a bit of fun

i can go round roundabouts in 2nd n 3rd gear ,come off them sideways etc but the thing i haven't had the chance to try(as no cheap drift car at the mo)manji or getting it sideways while still on a strait, long before the corner.

 

Steve has contributed a mass of information and real world reporting on drifting. He was posting up vids of American in car 'touge' drifting and commenting on the steering techniques before most people knew what drifting meant.

He doesn't need to do it and, as far as I know, posts on a few forums so it's not like he spends all his time on here.

Yeah OK he's critical, but he's a no BS kind of guy who is willing to go out of his way to provide information on subjects he knows a lot about (usually from experience). Be it drifting or tuning your R5, 200sx or Skyline.

I know he's highly regarded on Tramp Drift and those guys are out there doing it. On top of all that I've only ever seen him be nothing but totally honest about his own ability which is admirable when you consider car forums allow you to billy bullshit as much as you want.

He's said time and time again that even what looks a poor effort at drifting is way beyond the abilities of possibly 99% of people on here. People have argued it and he's asked for vids proving him wrong, as far as I know they have never emerged.

You don't have to be a master to make judgement, just realistic and prepared to deliver the cold hard truth. Not unless you like the idea of that poncy cunt Andrew Lloyd Webber wearing a dress and singing the the hills are alive.

To watch the whole drifting band wagon explode to the point were we see a thread like this takes the piss to be honest.

 

So, to summerise.........

For Mr C



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Cheers mate, cheques in the post

Seriously tho, as ever, its a perfectly reasonable and correct comment, and you have a good memory too

TBH idve loved to have seen this post before it backfired and he edited it (to remove the severe bitchyness it seems) a few hours later, but hey ho, everyone explained it well without me needing to

(I was quite keen and pleased that someone was actually building a good spec Cossie drifter, and wouldve done as much as poss to help/advice, but he can lick my balls now )

 

i agree BUT your not sleeping with him are you

 

LOL

I admit I to tend to follow Steve around the forum like his bitch now and then but I respect the guys knowledge and attitude. I think when a long time forum member like Steve gets a thread like this written about him he deserves defending.

When I first read the thread I did thought what's the fucking point with the forum having turned into a complete Muppet festival lately.

 

I don't think MR C was being a cunt to Steve,just wanted to know why you're so knolwedgeable about drifting.

 

i cant be arsed to read all this but, when me and steve were last out in the drift wagons, we were by far the best IMO

fair enough there were some big power cossies with us, but i think we could drift much better than their power oversteer

we have ALL been critical in saying people are shit at drifting, but until you give it a propper go you realise that its MUCH harder than we give credit for - myself included

at our last drift day, i reckon i was better than steve purly because of the car i was in, fast fords sierra lol, i had a go in his volvo and i was SHIT!

so big up to steve for nailing it in the volvo! he could drive it, i couldnt, and likewise i better in the sierra lol

if you want to come and watch, we will be at westonzoyland near bridgewater on the 4th feb, all the spaces are taken now, but come and watch by all means - you will see its not easy!

also, we are only good at 2nd gear 30-50mph drifting, while the big boys are doing well over a ton in the D1

but then, they got the car with power to hold the slides etc.

i have only ever done 2, thats TWO drift practices, and they were 4 months apart - unlike steve, i dont abouse the public highway lol and get extra practice, but that may change lol

and i have only ever drifted in the wet.... time to try out the dry lol

 

like ave said before a try ma best. Hopefully get the Sunbeam back on the road and try a couple of drifts days this year.