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Old Sep 9, 2006 | 04:54 PM
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Today went to local rolling road with Trev so he could get his CO set correctly so it would of been rude not to try out the new Dyno Dynamics rolling road

What a great piece of kit, no movement of the car at all even when it comes on boost

And the result was quite pleasing as well Should make 400bhp on a cooler day, although the charge air temp never went over 33



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Old Sep 9, 2006 | 05:11 PM
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did they measure the charge air temp? they normally only put the sensor at the air filter. or were you reading it from SECS/Pectel monitor?
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Old Sep 9, 2006 | 05:14 PM
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Not being funny but i always thought power and torque should cross at 5252rpm.

What spec are you running ?

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Old Sep 9, 2006 | 05:14 PM
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did they measure the charge air temp? they normally only put the sensor at the air filter. or were you reading it from SECS/Pectel monitor?
The SECS was reading 33 and the ambient in the workshop was 25.
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the axes are out comon with the tacko sig not right
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Old Sep 9, 2006 | 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by cossie4i
Not being funny but i always thought power and torque should cross at 5252rpm.
not again. where's SECS?

they should only cross at 5252 rpm if the axes are the same scale, and the units are bhp and lb.ft
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Originally Posted by foreigneRS
they should only cross at 5252 rpm if the axes are the same scale, and the units are bhp and lb.ft
Thats what they look like to me on the graph

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the power and torque axis are not the same scale hence why they dont cross at the right place, they are not the same scale because the software on the dyno dynamics road allows you to change the scales for each axis and this is obviously what the operator has done.
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Oh forgot Yes Rich it was indeed worth it
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Old Sep 10, 2006 | 02:45 PM
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I should of looked at the graph harder

I can see it now

Still want to know the spec that its running.

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I should of looked at the graph harder

I can see it now

Still want to know the spec that its running.

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What boost ?

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Originally Posted by cossie4i
What boost ?

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peaks@31 and holds 25.
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Old Sep 10, 2006 | 04:50 PM
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Nice figures m8.
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B9KOS,

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that looks very laggy what made you go for such a big turbo and injectors?when you running a std engine?has that been mapped like that or have you used a base map of some sort?we done same engine but on 4 greys and bd 14 inlet and it made 428bhp and 426lb ft at 4432 revs also by 4.5k it was pulling nearly 300 bhp.if you want a better map give me a shout or get it live mapped by stu at msd
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that looks very laggy what made you go for such a big turbo and injectors?when you running a std engine?has that been mapped like that or have you used a base map of some sort?we done same engine but on 4 greys and bd 14 inlet and it made 428bhp and 426lb ft at 4432 revs also by 4.5k it was pulling nearly 300 bhp.if you want a better map give me a shout or get it live mapped by Stu at MSD
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treCOSS . well answerd questions mate not having a dig just asking questions
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Originally Posted by abc motor sport
that looks very laggy what made you go for such a big turbo and injectors?when you running a std engine?has that been mapped like that or have you used a base map of some sort?we done same engine but on 4 greys and bd 14 inlet and it made 428bhp and 426lb ft at 4432 revs also by 4.5k it was pulling nearly 300 bhp.if you want a better map give me a shout or get it live mapped by Stu at MSD
look here mate...

https://passionford.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=197503

just back from msd i believe!!!
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Old Sep 10, 2006 | 07:00 PM
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cheers paulrs i suppose the rest of us have to be mind readers ah.well power is poor maybe stu is being safe or something but there isnt much of a power spread and with std head and cams and comp ratio its normaly very lively but not that one maybe its lower comp ratio than he thinks
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it was at msd when my rs500 was being done being live mapped-looked a good bit of kit
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Well done Richie - I know how much of a struggle this has been for you to get the car finished

Looking forawrd to my passenger ride in her on any road
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Originally Posted by abc motor sport
cheers paulrs i suppose the rest of us have to be mind readers ah.well power is poor maybe Stu is being safe or something but there isnt much of a power spread and with std head and cams and comp ratio its normaly very lively but not that one maybe its lower comp ratio than he thinks
Maybe that is what Richie wants from his car?

you just don't know unless you ask him
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treCOSS . well answerd questions mate not having a dig just asking questions
sorry I was going to come back and explain but got caught up, and thought rich would have been right on here anyway. As you know know the car was mapped at msd recently, Im sure rich was more than aware what kind of result he might get with the choice of parts, I suppose you could say he's future proofing it, all it needs now is a the right head & cams to make the most of the ancillary components, which where chosen for there good prices and availability (largely second hand from here) as well as the ability to do more in the future. The car is as you say a bit laggy but drives very well and feels much better than the curve posted might suggest.
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it was at MSD when my rs500 was being done being live mapped-looked a good bit of kit
Cheers Jay, yours looked proper hard on the MOs
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treCOSS . well answerd questions mate not having a dig just asking questions
sorry I was going to come back and explain but got caught up, and thought rich would have been right on here anyway. As you know know the car was mapped at MSD recently, Im sure rich was more than aware what kind of result he might get with the choice of parts, I suppose you could say he's future proofing it, all it needs now is a the right head & cams to make the most of the ancillary components, which where chosen for there good prices and availability (largely second hand from here) as well as the ability to do more in the future. The car is as you say a bit laggy but drives very well and feels much better than the curve posted might suggest.
Hi Danny, the final spec changed alot from the original 803s and 23psi boost plan. Like trevCOSS said as we built the car up i bought a lot of bits off Passionford to future proof the engine, for example the injectors flow more than 8x403s but are only on 38% duty when pulling 7000rpm in 4th Better than running the 803s flat out i think you'll agree

The only thing limiting the power now is the engine internals. Had the engine not only just been run in i would of gone low comp and had some headwork and cams , but that can wait till this one goes pop
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Originally Posted by abc motor sport
that looks very laggy what made you go for such a big turbo and injectors?when you running a std engine?has that been mapped like that or have you used a base map of some sort?we done same engine but on 4 greys and bd 14 inlet and it made 428bhp and 426lb ft at 4432 revs also by 4.5k it was pulling nearly 300 bhp.if you want a better map give me a shout or get it live mapped by Stu at MSD

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Shame theres no boost mapped onto that graph as i am confident your engine produced nearer 400ftlb of torque Pal.

I would say the boost was a tad low on teh rollers due to lack of load, and of course boost is all important at high revs when your VE is falling off. The power most certainly does not peak at 6k on the road i am sure you will agree?

Car goes well in the real world, its a fast car.
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Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Shame theres no boost mapped onto that graph as i am confident your engine produced nearer 400ftlb of torque Pal.

I would say the boost was a tad low on the rollers due to lack of load, and of course boost is all important at high revs when your VE is falling off. The power most certainly does not peak at 6k on the road i am sure you will agree?

Car goes well in the real world, its a fast car.
Cheers Stu It goes very well especially now i'm using your revised rev limit Gearbox isn't liking it though

He didn't connect an inductive pick up to the leads, only a boost sensor so not sure how the rpm axis is derived
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well done b9kos not every every r/r graph shows a true story of how the car performs and like stu says if it feels quick and more like 400 lb ft then thats a quick car.cheers for explaining why you got your spec it was a bit confussing but i agree you now have a lot of scope for the future.as for you jaycos fuck of you twat
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as for you jaycos fuck of you twat
sorry i meant to say shonky cock
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jaycos i bet your car is wicked on dta you knobhead.we used it once and once only what a pile of shit.jaycos is one of them mouthy cunts who thinks he knows everything and slags others of behind hes computer you nutter come on let yourself be known.
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let myself be known

wicked on! dta yes it is it does me just fine

mouthy cunt behind a keyboard. people who know me on here know different as i will say to the face more so

you tried dta once well learn how to use it then as a good tune will say a bad tuner will always blame his tools

as stu once stated the only prob with dta is haveing to swap screens when mapping
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come see me face to face then hard man.as for dta its crap everyone knows that but hey thats why you need such big injectors the ecu is so slow.if you want to slate me as a business when you know fuckall about me then lets meet up and see how far you get.you can say what you want to my face and see who your slating oir better still come down to work and see all the big jobs weve got on and show us how youd do it better you clever cunt
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Originally Posted by abc motor sport
come see me face to face then hard man.as for dta its crap everyone knows that but hey thats why you need such big injectors the ecu is so slow.if you want to slate me as a business when you know fuckall about me then lets meet up and see how far you get.you can say what you want to my face and see who your slating oir better still come down to work and see all the big jobs weve got on and show us how youd do it better you clever cunt
fuck off with your billy big balls attitude rofl
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i wonderd how long it would be before someone else butted in.well its very easy to get on a keyboard and be hard so i expect loads of knobheads to now.carry on thats the end from me untill some one has got the guts to slate me to my face
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