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Old Sep 6, 2006 | 11:53 PM
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having an arugument about the square root of -1,

my arguement is this.....


Claims of its nonexistence are confused with it not being a real number. It's called an imaginary number, but not because it doesn't exist. It's called an imaginary number because it is not real (and the word "real" in math lingo simply means a number on the number line that everyone is familiar with. It doesn't imply that other numbers do not exist.)

To give you an advantage to what it seems like you about to do in math, keep in mind the following two things about the number i, and most complex arithemetic will be easy (complex meaning "of the form a + bi", not complex meaning "hard")

1) If you ever square root -1, replace that with an i.
Example: sqrt(-9) = sqrt(9) * sqrt(-1) = 3i

2) If you ever square an i, replace it with -1.
Example: (3i)(6i) = 18i^2 = 18(-1) = -18.

I know, I know, "I thought when you square something, it comes out positive?" Yeah, that's a rule... for REAL numbers. "i" is not real. It is imaginary. It plays by its own rules.

the MENSA guys wont have it that it is a number depicted by I....
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Old Sep 6, 2006 | 11:57 PM
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havent you got a shag at this time in the morning



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cheers maybe I could wank myself to sleep
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if you want a head fuck do this


http://www.freestuffhotdeals.com/hacker/1.html

i rest my case
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Old Sep 7, 2006 | 12:04 AM
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if you want the answers will give you the link

you have pm
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Old Sep 7, 2006 | 12:20 AM
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No negative number can possibly have a square root.

So -1, -20, -100 etc

NONE of them have a square root.


The reason is that if you have a square root it means that when squared it will equal the number its the square root of, and ANY number squared is ALWAYS a positive value.


So for example
-4 * -4 = 16
4 * 4 = 16

So wether the number you are squaring is positive or negative, the result is always positive.



So an imaginary number is your ONLY option if you are going to quote the root of a negative.
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Old Sep 7, 2006 | 12:22 AM
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lol avid you cunt i've got to 8 so far now am stuck
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Old Sep 7, 2006 | 12:25 AM
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Old Sep 7, 2006 | 12:30 AM
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Old Sep 7, 2006 | 12:35 AM
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Old Sep 7, 2006 | 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by avid-fan
if you want a head fuck do this


http://www.freestuffhotdeals.com/hacker/1.html

i rest my case
Bastard

At 15 now, stuck for 16
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Old Sep 7, 2006 | 01:09 AM
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Old Sep 7, 2006 | 06:02 AM
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This is so the wrong place for this discussion

Being a scientist myself, we don't care if the number is real or not, complex numbers are just a way to make 2D calculations easier to spell out. Then when you want to go 3D, 4D, ... 3x3D etc... tensor calculus comes to play. And still nobody cares if the numbers are real or not. It's just an aggreement to make the syntax look clearer.

To easily understand the basic operations of complex and real numbers, have a look at the geometric interpretation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complex_number
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Old Sep 7, 2006 | 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by avid-fan
if you want a head fuck do this


http://www.freestuffhotdeals.com/hacker/1.html

i rest my case
I got as far as acht, now i'm fooked
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Old Sep 7, 2006 | 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by JesseT
This is so the wrong place for this discussion

Being a scientist myself, we don't care if the number is real or not, complex numbers are just a way to make 2D calculations easier to spell out. Then when you want to go 3D, 4D, ... 3x3D etc... tensor calculus comes to play. And still nobody cares if the numbers are real or not. It's just an aggreement to make the syntax look clearer.

To easily understand the basic operations of complex and real numbers, have a look at the geometric interpretation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complex_number
tensor calculus relies on so called imagenary numbers tho doesnt it....?

my argument lies in the fact it can be done....and those so called experts tell ing me it cant,....someone pls explain the correct terminology.
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Old Sep 7, 2006 | 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by chip-3door
No negative number can possibly have a square root.

So -1, -20, -100 etc

NONE of them have a square root.


The reason is that if you have a square root it means that when squared it will equal the number its the square root of, and ANY number squared is ALWAYS a positive value.


So for example
-4 * -4 = 16
4 * 4 = 16

So wether the number you are squaring is positive or negative, the result is always positive.



So an imaginary number is your ONLY option if you are going to quote the root of a negative.
chip...a squared number does not have to be a positive.....you can have a square negative, think of it as a complete mirror of the positive value, it is a number that doesnt exist, however you can write it down so therefore it does exist....
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Old Sep 7, 2006 | 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by avid-fan
if you want a head fuck do this


http://www.freestuffhotdeals.com/hacker/1.html

i rest my case
This is excellent!! although could someone tell me if 13 should just be a black screen or is my work PC just not displaying it?
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Old Sep 7, 2006 | 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by MONSTER
Originally Posted by avid-fan
if you want a head fuck do this


http://www.freestuffhotdeals.com/hacker/1.html

i rest my case
I got as far as acht, now i'm fooked
Zee germans may help you on this one
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Old Sep 7, 2006 | 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by markyd3
Originally Posted by avid-fan
if you want a head fuck do this


http://www.freestuffhotdeals.com/hacker/1.html

i rest my case
This is excellent!! although could someone tell me if 13 should just be a black screen or is my work PC just not displaying it?
im stuck on the black screen aswell
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Old Sep 7, 2006 | 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by markyd3
Originally Posted by avid-fan
if you want a head fuck do this


http://www.freestuffhotdeals.com/hacker/1.html

i rest my case
This is excellent!! although could someone tell me if 13 should just be a black screen or is my work PC just not displaying it?
It should be a black screen - look harder!!

I am now stuck on 16
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Old Sep 7, 2006 | 08:47 AM
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Extreme maths allow you to do anything you want... Apparently in some schools of thought, -infinity and +infinity actually converge and become equal at some point.

You probably need a few drugs to make sense of it all though
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Old Sep 7, 2006 | 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by frog
Extreme maths allow you to do anything you want... Apparently in some schools of thought, -infinity and +infinity actually converge and become equal at some point.

You probably need a few drugs to make sense of it all though
quite.... the infinity thing is completely another argument.....can of worms there....
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Originally Posted by JjCoDeX75
Originally Posted by markyd3
Originally Posted by avid-fan
if you want a head fuck do this


http://www.freestuffhotdeals.com/hacker/1.html

i rest my case
This is excellent!! although could someone tell me if 13 should just be a black screen or is my work PC just not displaying it?
It should be a black screen - look harder!!

I am now stuck on 16

lol well if that isnt a cryptic clue i dont know what is!!
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Old Sep 7, 2006 | 08:52 AM
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ITS A FUCKIN BLACK SCREEN>>>>>>>>FFS

LOOK harder???????????? how?????????????
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Old Sep 7, 2006 | 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by biglee
ITS A FUCKIN BLACK SCREEN>>>>>>>>FFS

LOOK harder???????????? how?????????????
Try putting the pointer in the top left corner, holding the left button down, and dragging to the bottom right corner!!!!!

JJ
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Old Sep 7, 2006 | 08:58 AM
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done the black screen.....haha...like it
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Old Sep 7, 2006 | 09:19 AM
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finished...lol...results

EDITED ALL ANSWERS REMOVED>>>>>sorry fogot ppl are still doing it..


took 20 mins...not a bad puzzle.....ive had MENSA ones easier than that.lol
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Originally Posted by JjCoDeX75
Originally Posted by MONSTER
Originally Posted by avid-fan
if you want a head fuck do this


http://www.freestuffhotdeals.com/hacker/1.html

i rest my case
I got as far as acht, now i'm fooked
Zee germans may help you on this one
I figured that, but dont know any german
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Old Sep 7, 2006 | 09:33 AM
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The solution to your problem is here!!!!

http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr

JJ
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Old Sep 7, 2006 | 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by biglee
ITS A FUCKIN BLACK SCREEN>>>>>>>>FFS

LOOK harder???????????? how?????????????
Guess you aint a hacker

How about trying to Mark Everything on the screen with the menu command?

Or you could view the source of the html file.
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Old Sep 7, 2006 | 09:47 AM
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All done!!!

I thought the hardest was 16, they seemed to get easier again nearer the end!!



biglee - might be worth deleting the answers just in case people are tempted overly to cheat!!!!

JJ
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Old Sep 7, 2006 | 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Andreas
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ITS A FUCKIN BLACK SCREEN>>>>>>>>FFS

LOOK harder???????????? how?????????????
Guess you aint a hacker

How about trying to Mark Everything on the screen with the menu command?

Or you could view the source of the html file.
never wanted to be a hacker.....altho i have fnished.....in 20 mins...
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Old Sep 7, 2006 | 10:01 AM
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All done!!!

I thought the hardest was 16, they seemed to get easier again nearer the end!!



biglee - might be worth deleting the answers just in case people are tempted overly to cheat!!!!

JJ
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Old Sep 7, 2006 | 11:18 AM
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can anyone help me out with 16?
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Originally Posted by c.h.r.i.s
can anyone help me out with 16?
Think american presidents
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Old Sep 7, 2006 | 07:24 PM
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anyone else finished other than me and JjCoDeX75???????
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Old Sep 7, 2006 | 07:52 PM
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serioulsy stcu on 13, ive just done 12
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got it, square numbers
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