Is one as good as the other? or is there a massive difference between a good and a bad one?

Any help much appriciated

 

the main differences Ryan is that a good one is good

and therefor a bad one is bad

 

Tial are supposed to be good. Warren had a copy of a Tial on his and it worked fine. Ask Sheady, he will tel you wahts best

 

As long as its big enough, to make the boost low enough, on the size turbo you want, on the size engine you want, then its good enough.

Turbosmart ProGate is good for the money IMO.

Id have some good ones id sell you, but i forgot to order them, maybe soon, maybe

 

yeah thats what made me think, warrens is a cheap verison and works perfectly well.

so i wondered are you purely paying for "the name" same in most cases, or did he just get lucky?

 

As long as its a copy made by the RIGHT company, then its no problem

I can get copies that still say Tial on them if you that fussy

 

I think he just got lucky with the one he chose tbh Ryan. i dont think there was any research done or anything lke that.

 

so can u buy one of martooons elbows and put any wastegate on it

 

Ryan,

it all depends on the application. If its only a street car, a copy of a TiAL or HKS would be sufficent. Just make sure the valve seats properly or else you'll have a leaky watsegate. If your running lots of boost, racing and/or have hight exhaust temps, an 'expensive' one is your only option.

The extra price you pay for is for superior meterials such as inconnel valves.

Intially Turbosmart ones bent valves with high exhuast temps. I've seen this happen first hand at least 3 times and I also heard Brom had problems with his. Having said this, I understand they have rectified this problem and its popularity is a good indicator of the good price/performance you get from Turbosmart.

I've used a TiAL previously and I reckon they would have to be one of the best made wastegates out there. I currently have a 50mm HKS GTII wastegate that I'd highly recommend, but not for your wallet!!

 

Oh yeah. NEVER buy a 2nd hand wastegate. I bought one from a Sports Sedan (Thundersaloon) a few years back and even though it was one of the same ones used in 90% of WRC cars (cant remember the co. that made them) it was bent like f*ck!

 

many thanks for the info Vic, very informative.

dont need anywhere near 50mm for my application, i've been told 45mm is the maxium i would ever need.

I have been looking at the tial and turbosmart/pro gate ones

 

no.

he would beed your external wastegate to make sure the end it fits on is correct.

My brother runs a Tial on his, and its up to the job.

 

My Turbosmart one has been faultless. Bad piccy sorry.

 

yeah the pro gate 45 is the one i was looking at.

 

Glad to be of help Ryan.

here's a pic of what's on my car this week

 

porkie wat manifold are you useing chap

 

vic your probably as bad as me, something gets changed every week on my car.

and jay its a standard manfiold with a pipe modded of the original swan neck

 

Modded 2wd one mate. Works fine at my power level... and no cracks! I think you want need a tubular one for much more than 630bhp though.

 

Martin uses and recommends the Tial ones and does them for a very good price (see his website). These are the ones that Harvey also uses .

 

Very happy with my turbosmart one. Will be using it again on my new engine.

 

im glad of that then

my 2wd swan neck is martins modded one with a tial wastegate

 

...well i am goin Reyland Tial is the one to get no idea what size i am getting though LOL.

Fooking hell..a MAD engine with a touch of Reyland and Norris

 

kelv, no yours isnt a reyland pipe.

Its PJ item.

As its a cast item, not a fabricated one.

 

Ryan, I use & reccomend the Turbo-Smart 48mm unit...............it's worth checking the internal rubber/neoprene diaphram for holes/splits from time-to-time......cheap & easy to replace the diaphram anyway, they are prone to this problem AFAIK.

 

..i am gonna use a screamer pipe...is this very noisy?...Oh and is it ok to put it as a side exit pipe?...i dont want to kill anyone or set light to a passing car when i am giving it large!

 

My mistake then

 

Phil, did'nt you say a couple of years ago that screamer pipes are dangerous, because they cause the front end of the car to lift up in the air? I'm sure it was you that posted that

 

...that is correct a VERY famous tuner of a different make car told me this...BUT as you well know it is when you point the exhaust straight down the turbulence can be dangerous when doin a top speed run....so as i said i wanted to do it side exit.it aint in any way dangerous in a top speed way.

 

phil a screamer pipe is very very noisey if vented to atmos.

and i fookin love the noise.

no good for track, but yours is never going to see track, so thats that solved.

makes your ears ring after a good blat though.

 

...does it or can it spit flames?..As i want it to come out drivers side to onme side of the front jacking cover.

 

not a clue on that one phil.

 

Ryan, What turbo you going for now then?!

 

GT30 i think

 

gt30 rad.

 

Nice one mate

 

I have mine exiting just behind the front wheel
Its fuckin noisey
If you have the window open your eyes start to sting with the ex fumes and yes
a couple of times it has shot some big flames out when i came off boost and then reaplied full throttle

 

...cheers ALG1K...i think i will just keep it under the car in a safe place!!!

 

Alg1k


Do you have a silencer on it?


as you take your car on track....Just wondered with noise regs etc

 

clairfication on a 'screamer' please is it simply that the waste gate flows direct to atmo rather than down the exhausts pipe?

presumably if this is the case then its only noisy when the waste gate opens and that would be ok for scrutineering?

 

pgt9, yes thats correct. things will only get noisy once you hit your desired boost pressure/wategate opens.... drive around like a granny and you'd never know!