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Old Jul 15, 2006 | 01:37 PM
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im on with my car at mo trying to sort the fucker out.its been acting up as it fires first time,but as soon as it warms up if you turn it off it wont start back up for ages. its been left out on the drive for a few weeks now as i couldnt be arsed with it,so idecided to fire it up today and its just turning so i took the lead off on cylinder no1 and there's no spark.but when you turn the ignition on there is one spark and that is it.it has recently had a brand new phase sensor(im not sure if it is gapped perfectly).i have changed the crank sensor, it wasn't brand new but it was in better condition than the old one.any ideas or help appreciated as im getting pissed off cheers
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Old Jul 15, 2006 | 01:38 PM
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almost certainly one of those two sensors.

buy Stu's new RP Labs software and you can see which one
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Old Jul 15, 2006 | 01:42 PM
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could it be wiring?
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Old Jul 15, 2006 | 01:47 PM
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ANYTHING could be wiring on a 20 year old cossie loom, but as thats not changed, it seems less likely than the sensors that have changed since it was last working. (although moving the wires to change the sensors can of course finnish off an already bad connection!)
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Old Jul 15, 2006 | 01:48 PM
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could be ur coil ?
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Old Jul 15, 2006 | 01:50 PM
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since i have owned the car just over a year ago it has always done it.it only used to do it once in a blue moon but now its every time its warm and today it wont start at all
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Old Jul 15, 2006 | 01:50 PM
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could be ur coil ?
its had a new coil mate
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Old Jul 15, 2006 | 01:51 PM
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Given that its been intermittant and you have changed sensors since, that wiring is sounding more suspect all the time!
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Old Jul 15, 2006 | 01:53 PM
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any ideas as where to start looking or prices of looms!
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Old Jul 15, 2006 | 01:53 PM
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or if it aint wireing could bethe coil driver in the ecu can get another ecu to try ?
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Old Jul 15, 2006 | 01:54 PM
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map sensor/phase/cps are where i would look


but then there aint many sensors left after that
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Old Jul 15, 2006 | 01:54 PM
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or if it aint wireing could bethe coil driver in the ecu can get another ecu to try ?
its had another ecu lol
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Old Jul 15, 2006 | 01:55 PM
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try another car then
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Old Jul 15, 2006 | 01:56 PM
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well then here u go , multimeter and check continuity thruogh the hole loom

but if you require a new loom contact ryan off here i think it would be around Ł350 and a nice loom by all accounts
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try another car then
do you want to swap then??
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Originally Posted by b19bal
try another car then
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Old Jul 15, 2006 | 01:58 PM
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i havnt a clue with electrics hence why its the only thing unchanged.
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Old Jul 15, 2006 | 01:58 PM
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try another car then
do you want to swap then??
my car aint started for 18 months mate,,,,,,,,,,, so cant see how that would help


what about the ignition amp could that do it


list all the sensors you have tried and go from there
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Old Jul 15, 2006 | 02:01 PM
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True could be getting hot then failing
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Old Jul 15, 2006 | 02:02 PM
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right the list:
crank sensor-
phase
ign amp
water temp sensor (blue)
ecu
coil
leads
plugs
dizzy cap
rotor arm
map
have all been changed
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Old Jul 15, 2006 | 02:04 PM
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i think thats what was wrong with my cossie but i had a different problem to him


min was missing and cutting out when changing gear then coming back to life unless i drove gentle


my solution was to fit a new engine, all new sensors, new wiring loom ,,,,,,,,,,,,,


oh and a dizzyless secs ecu so ive replaced any posible part and now it shoulds start


also fitted a new fuel pump too and im gonan redo that wiring
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loom then id say theres fuck all else
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Old Jul 15, 2006 | 02:06 PM
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does the fuel pump prime when cranking?
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Old Jul 15, 2006 | 02:06 PM
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how difficult is it fitting a new loom then?
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Old Jul 15, 2006 | 02:06 PM
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how is your imobiliser wired in,,,,,,,,,,, cause thats all else i can think off


there is a battery on the car yeah
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Old Jul 15, 2006 | 02:08 PM
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battery is that where the red lead goes................




























lol lol
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Old Jul 15, 2006 | 02:11 PM
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how is your imobiliser wired in,,,,,,,,,,, cause thats all else i can think off


there is a battery on the car yeah
when i bought the car the lad said that one morning he went to start it and it wouldnt start so he called the auto electrician who took out loads of old alarms and shit which didnt need to be there and fitted a new alarm and immobiliser. I'v just answerd my own post.it Has got to be that loom
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loom is piss easy on a cossie mate, its all 1 part with a multi plug that has 4 wires on it

i can even tell ya where they go too,,,,,,, 1 is tacho, 1 is water temp, one is switched live the last one is main live

the loom is earthed via the plenum for some reason ( which i find strange tbh )


ive removed and fitted a cossie loom whilst my microwave meal was cooking
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Wiring loom sounds suspect here mate.

Disconnect from ECU end and then plug back in again. Try also unplugging the plug that goes to dizzy and then plug back in again
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Old Jul 15, 2006 | 02:17 PM
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b19bal
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A BIG THANKS TO ALL OF YOU'S for your help,virtual pints all round chaps
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Old Jul 15, 2006 | 02:18 PM
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Wiring loom sounds suspect here mate.

Disconnect from ECU end and then plug back in again. Try also unplugging the plug that goes to dizzy and then plug back in again
i'll try that mate
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Old Jul 15, 2006 | 02:20 PM
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should i buy the full loom or look for a engine loom.can this be done??
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Old Jul 15, 2006 | 02:21 PM
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I had exactly trhe same problem. 1st time i changed map sensor and it started, then i changed phase sensor and it started. Then after a week of okishness it cut out whilst driving. So i got a new wiring loom on it and the problem styaed away
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Old Jul 15, 2006 | 02:28 PM
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should i be looking for something like this
or just the engine loom?? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Ford-Sierra-Sa...QQcmdZViewItem
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engine loom mate,,,,,,,,,, its self contained and plugs in with a multi plug


the rest of the loom is a sierra ghia loom anyway so thres a hint for ya if you write your cossie off
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Old Jul 15, 2006 | 02:39 PM
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Greg you just need an engine loom. PM Ryan on here to find out prices.
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Old Jul 15, 2006 | 02:44 PM
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thanks guys appreciate it
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hey greg, dont buy a loom just yet have a look at my posts and go through the wiring on the ecu there is a full check list. its dead easy or even better get hold ov an led tester and plug it in to the ecu they more or less point you to the right directin.

what i done was check that you are getting power to your ecu, if you are then now check you are getting an ac voltage back to you ecu from your crank and phase sensor, just cos your not getting a spark it doesnt mean its the sensor,

unplug the ecu loom and unplug the phase an crank sensor, if you have a metre check that these wires are not broke,. i will put my house on it that its a bad earth dis connect all the engine earths and clean them up.

check from batt earth to ecu pin 1 i think that there is a good 10 ohms if its less then the cable is damaged or a faulty connection..

pm me ur number if you want...am better talkin lol
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