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Old Apr 10, 2006 | 11:42 AM
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Default Testing of my new 3 way adjustable struts

The handling on the Scoob is unreal with these new AST 3 way, remote resevoir struts on.

Together with some handling training by my mate, it's all starting to come together now.

Me testing the setup last week......

http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/images/sn...pecc-test2.wmv

Roll on TOTB handling circuit, after some more mod's and further track setup time.
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Old Apr 10, 2006 | 11:47 AM
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...although you neglect to mention your "mate's" pedigree when it comes to driving
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Old Apr 10, 2006 | 11:51 AM
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cool video
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Old Apr 10, 2006 | 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Billabong


...although you neglect to mention your "mate's" pedigree when it comes to driving


But I need all the help I can get!
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Old Apr 10, 2006 | 12:35 PM
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I SO wish I could left foot brake , your test driver is awesome .

Shame you can't drive like that, THEN I would be worried .
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Old Apr 10, 2006 | 12:36 PM
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Car looks tip top mate. Where is that you're driving on? Is it free to get on? Pm me the details if its not strictly legal
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Old Apr 10, 2006 | 12:42 PM
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Looks like Millbrook to me, but I've been wrong before
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Old Apr 10, 2006 | 01:18 PM
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Mike,
That is ME you donkey!!!!!! Do you still think the driver is awesome now!!! roflol Considering you had never seen me drive before, it has to be said you were digging yourself a HUGE hole when you made previous comments about any ability I had (or didnt have)!

It's the fruits of Simon's driver training though to be perfectly honest. He is a top driver and instructor!

89XR2,
It is at a secret test facility on an adverse handling circuit.
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Old Apr 10, 2006 | 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
I SO wish I could left foot brake ,

Mike - lets make a deal. I teach you LFB, you give me SPECIAL discount on stuff?
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Old Apr 10, 2006 | 01:26 PM
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OK, watched the vid. Quite impresive it is, but you should be able to do 99% of that without LFB Mike
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Old Apr 10, 2006 | 01:27 PM
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Fagin can you post something more on the coiilovers? Maybe my mates form SUabru club will be interested?
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Old Apr 10, 2006 | 01:27 PM
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That is ME you donkey!!!!!! Do you still think the driver is awesome now!!! roflol

It's the fruits of Simon's driver training!
Seriously?

If it is, then I have no pithy come-back, just quiet respect. Driving is my "thing", so anyone good at it, is instantly elevated to a higher respect level . You're now just above a "pikey", but that 's only due to your previous status before this .
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Old Apr 10, 2006 | 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Azrael
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I SO wish I could left foot brake ,

Mike - lets make a deal. I teach you LFB, you give me SPECIAL discount on stuff?
It will end in tears - mine after the car hits something substantial . I don't think the Ring is anywhere to try LFB .
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Old Apr 10, 2006 | 01:32 PM
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Mike,
ROFLOL

I suspect thats the best I am going to get out of you!

Azrael,
What do you want to know?
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Old Apr 10, 2006 | 01:32 PM
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If thats you really driving Shaun, well done mate



Car looks great as well
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Old Apr 10, 2006 | 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Fagin
Azrael,
What do you want to know?
Where from, hom much, what springs diameters and spec's, maybe you kow maximum minimum damping settings? What is maximum ride height?

Everything

Do they work with standard top mounts or some specials?
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Old Apr 10, 2006 | 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
It will end in tears - mine after the car hits something substantial . I don't think the Ring is anywhere to try LFB .

There are nice mountain roads nearby

But the fact is that you have to learn to brake with left foot. Just ordinary braking before you try to use it in corners on FWD or AWD or RWD.. learning to use left foot for braking usually takes weeks :-( With some exeptions.
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Old Apr 10, 2006 | 01:43 PM
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Ok...

I will answer what I can. Anything else see www.powerstation.org.uk as they are the distributors in the UK.

AST - 3 Way Adjustable (rebound, low speed & high speed compression - all independant of each other) Competition, Remote Reservoir struts.

Price - £2200 + fitting, geometry and setup

Havent got a clue on spring diameters or maximum or minimum damper settings, but because they are fully adjustable, the shocks will take a HUGE range of spring rates and do not require revalving (like single way adjustable coilovers would).

I have fully adjustable solid top mounts on mine.

This is what they look like:

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Old Apr 10, 2006 | 01:46 PM
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Fagin thx mate


Neverr seen this brand before so nice to learn something. Although price is huuuge. Proflex and cheaper Ohlins models range.
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Old Apr 10, 2006 | 01:49 PM
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bloody hell,, nice bit of driving

the car looks great fun
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Old Apr 10, 2006 | 01:52 PM
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I could tell you which works teams use these very same struts, but I would probably get shot.
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Old Apr 10, 2006 | 01:53 PM
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Fagin tell me It may be by means of PM
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Old Apr 10, 2006 | 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Azrael
Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
It will end in tears - mine after the car hits something substantial . I don't think the Ring is anywhere to try LFB .

There are nice mountain roads nearby

But the fact is that you have to learn to brake with left foot. Just ordinary braking before you try to use it in corners on FWD or AWD or RWD.. learning to use left foot for braking usually takes weeks :-( With some exeptions.
I've been dabbling with left foot braking, just getting some sensitivity into my left foot instead of being the big useless clutch foot it once was. I've started to be able to properly brake using my left foot including coming to complete stops etc from decent speeds smoothly like i would with normal braking. Even tried it whilst cornering in the snow one night, I was amazed how much difference it made I was able to take the same corner about twice as fast as I could when I wasnt using it Would love to be able to do it properly though. Need to find somewhere safe to practice, hence why I wanted to know where the place in the video was
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Originally Posted by Fagin
Ok...

I will answer what I can. Anything else see www.powerstation.org.uk as they are the distributors in the UK.

AST - 3 Way Adjustable (rebound, low speed & high speed compression - all independant of each other) Competition, Remote Reservoir struts.

Price - £2200 + fitting, geometry and setup

Havent got a clue on spring diameters or maximum or minimum damper settings, but because they are fully adjustable, the shocks will take a HUGE range of spring rates and do not require revalving (like single way adjustable coilovers would).

I have fully adjustable solid top mounts on mine.

This is what they look like:

They are tres bling
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Old Apr 10, 2006 | 01:57 PM
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Big respect to you for your car control
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Old Apr 10, 2006 | 01:58 PM
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89XR2,
I tried to get on at Brunters originally, but they seem to have a noise abatement (sp?) issue at the moment and were concerned about tyre noise from sideways action.

Azrael,
Seriously mate.... I would get a proper bollocking.
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Originally Posted by Fagin
89XR2,
I tried to get on at Brunters originally, but they seem to have a noise abatement (sp?) issue at the moment and were concerned about tyre noise from sideways action.

Azrael,
Seriously mate.... I would get a proper bollocking.
Just out of interets mate were you using left foot braking at all in that video? Awesome control btw
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That's never you driving!
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Old Apr 10, 2006 | 02:01 PM
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Fagin funny that I never heard the companies namebefore, or at elast I don't remmeber it.


I though that in big teams in rallying here were only such makes as: Ohlins, Proflex, Sachs Racing, Prodrive. A bit surprised to be told otherwise, but I'll learn till I die and die stupid as they say...
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I am way off Simon's ability (and realistically would never meet that standard as I am too old lol and havent got the balls). When he got in the car first with me as a passenger, he did a mahoosive 4 wheel drift in tripple figures on another part of the track!!!

I lost several pounds of weight through my arse!

It's the high speed stuff that gets my backside twitching and after some more testing with another driver at the weekend, I couldnt believe how much grip this car has now and what kind of speeds are possible. It holds lines perfectly and just when you think the tyres are going to loose grip, the suspension just keeps working through the bend.
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Old Apr 10, 2006 | 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by 89XR2
Originally Posted by Fagin
89XR2,
I tried to get on at Brunters originally, but they seem to have a noise abatement (sp?) issue at the moment and were concerned about tyre noise from sideways action.

Azrael,
Seriously mate.... I would get a proper bollocking.
Just out of interets mate were you using left foot braking at all in that video? Awesome control btw
Trying to in places!!!
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AST is a Dutch company located in Valkenswaard-Netherlands about 40km away from my door and about 211km from the Ring m8 so you might want to visit them.

http://www.ast-suspension.com/
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Fagin I know what you mean withthis high speed 4 wheel drift...

One one of my instructors first got into Cossie (it was his first time in one) first corner we went through was very long tightening righthander, round it you get in 3rd, he just put it from 4th into 3rd and sidestepped the clutch.... and stepped on it... I nearly torn passengers doorhandle off. And then when all the smoke was left behind us he says something like "wow Inever expected it to be as tail happy". Imagine it was first corner in the car, before that he only adjusted his seat and drove out of car park
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Old Apr 10, 2006 | 02:13 PM
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Pon,

Up yours!!!!!
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Old Apr 10, 2006 | 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Azrael
Fagin I know what you mean withthis high speed 4 wheel drift...

One one of my instructors first got into Cossie (it was his first time in one) first corner we went through was very long tightening righthander, round it you get in 3rd, he just put it from 4th into 3rd and sidestepped the clutch.... and stepped on it... I nearly torn passengers doorhandle off. And then when all the smoke was left behind us he says something like "wow Inever expected it to be as tail happy". Imagine it was first corner in the car, before that he only adjusted his seat and drove out of car park
ROFLOL

I know mate.... my brain can't even comprehend that kind of stuff. I always find myself tensing up and backing off at big speeds (well, what I call big speeds).

I would LOVE to have the confidence to do that, but it is amazing how much confidence you get from being next to someone that shows you what YOU'RE car is capable of. As I always feel "It's going to go, it's going to go", when in fact the car can have a much bigger threshold than the drivers arse does.
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Old Apr 10, 2006 | 02:27 PM
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Fagin one of thsoe instructors made me enter small rally last year and as the stages were pretty short he commented on every single corner and there was sequence of blind corners through which he told me to go flat out, and said something like this "If you cut for the tree you see over the crest you will make it, otherwise you're goina crash very badly" The worst part was that he did all that sitting in a cafe with me and not driving my car... was pretty hard to belive him. I did but keep foot to the metal required superhuman strain of will for me. I was pretty sure I was going to die very badly


Another short story of this kind. After some repirs to my Esocs I went out with my mate and mechanic for testing - he was driving. He has some champion titles in rallying here in POland but in lower fclasses with slower cars, still he has driven many many 4x4 rallycars and street version of them. We went for some corners, a lot of sideways stuff and then comes the sequense - 100m straight, chicane (it was some pedestrian corssing made such way or something) in which we brake fro 160km/h to 120km/h and then straight from the chicane we are thrown into main dual carriage way - he drifts it through all the lanes to furthest one and straightens and says something like this "Damn, this car handles like shit".



Gap between pro rallydriver and us ordinary humans is just unimaginable, they are bloody Jedi Masters like Yoda
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Shaun

Fair play mate

Car looks and sounds awesome
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