Firstly Hi Guys I'm new and am hoping to use some of your knowlege.

Bit of background to bore you, I have a focus 2002 (facelift) Silver ltd edition. Its a lovely car with the leather, I have it looking and handleing great with 17" lenso KR5's and adjustable koni's all round, tints cat back magnex, cold air induction etc...etc...

My problem now is Its no where near fast enough, its probably about 110bhp if that, I need more. I have heard that these zetec se engines dont tune that well and with cams and a proper re-map Im looking at 130 bhp ish.
My question is, I have 2 mechanic frinds which should help costs, one with garage and ramp etc..., and this car needs to be faster. What is the best most cost effective way of hitting 160-200 real bhp
Obviously making it stop will then become important to so that would also help. It is my daily drive so it has to be reliable and economical within reason (i.e capable of 30mpg on a run hopefully) but we all know thats not that important also Im 20 with 3 years no claims so insurance is a bit of an issue but again, not major.

Cheers in advance guys!

 

Can't help you with your question but welcome to the forum

 

Easiest and quickest way? Nitrous....

 

Hello fella

 

not really feeling the nirous. Want a proper engine with that power. Turbo power appeals to me, but is that the cheapest way. if so anyone done a 1600 zetec se turbo, or should I sack off the 1600 lump and get a different engine, if what fits and is good, the 2.0?? Turbo is not essential, just want 160 - 200 bhp in it front of that focus! anyone done similar? How much it cost and what would you reccomend.

 

anyone?

 

Try ffoc.co.uk

 

www.Shawspeed.com

It's a brilliant engine, you could get a fairly easy 170bhp IMO

Cams, manifold and exhaust, and sort out the fueling if the standard setup cant supply enough and a livemap should do it no problems

You dont want to listen to internet rumours

Theres a good article about the zetec-se/sigma in FF this month

 

better off just selling it and getting a 1.8/2L imo as thats where you'll end up anyway, in the long run it'll be cheaper anyway as for the price of a proper engine conversion you could buy one anyway.

insurance wont be to bad as you've got no claims etc probably wont be much more then what you would be paying if you tuned your current engine anyway.

you dont want to be getting into a position where you've taken the car to far to turn back, at least now you can strip your bits off it and fit them to a new car with very little trouble.

 

cool! I had faith in the engine especially as it so light weight, but so many people have tried to turn me against the Idea of tuning the 1600 that I had almost been brainwased. I have sent an E-mail to Shawspeed.
Anyone else with any other opinions?

With regard to getting the new car. I really like this car and want to keep it really, it is the limited editon and is everything I want except the power.

 

I'm afraid with the 1.6 you wont get a figure like 160-170bhp without spending A LOT of cash.

My original 1.4 16v Zetec SE had a few minor bits like Cams, unichip, manifold, exhaust and a hefty sum of Nitrous. She guzzled out 145bhp on the rollers, but then I got bored.

The same spec on the next engine I had, which was the same as yours, a 1.6 16v Zetec SE lump. She could barely scrape the 150bhp mark, but with a bit more Nitrous, she would...but it doubt it would have lasted very long.

There are other options like a throttle body conversion you can get. Not loads of options, but either way your talking big bucks...

 

seem to be getting conflicting opinions from loads of different people.
What would I be looking at (ontop of my cold air indition and cat back), if I put manifold, de-cat cams and a proper rolling road set up? I also heard 2 litre mondeo throttle bodies go straight on, how true is this and are they any kop.

 

Nah mate, these are the same things I heard, but I decided not to listen to anyone and experience things for myself.

The 2.0 throttle body does not fit straight on, but the 1.7 Puma throttle body does. Which is another mod I added.

Have a look at my old mag feature, Fast Ford March 2005.

 

I'll have a look into it. So I take it you have a tasty 1600 then or had done in the past? what you done, how much it cost (if you dont mind) and what would you do if you had to do it all again. I'll see if I can bac order the mag.

 

Well I started with a 1.4, added cams, exhaust, decat, unichip (great piece of kit, which allowed me to run nitrous too), manifold, k&n, Puma throttle body and Nitrous. That brought the 1.4 to 145bhp on the rollers.

Then the same spec on my 1.6 which I replaced the 1.4 with, roughly same power.

Now I have a Focus RS engine in my Focus. Not sure what the power output is with Nitrous, but otherwise she currentlt sits on 265bhp. GT28 and manifold will be on soon when I get the time.

But otherwise, there are aftermarket throttle bodies just been released for the 1.6 SE lump. That shows over 160bhp. But TBH I doubt that engine will be able to sustain that power very long. They ain't that strong despite being developed by Yamaha.

TBH I wouldn't change anything I did, as it was quite impressive as it was. Wiped the smiles off a few ppl. But at the end of the day it wouldn't last, coz I knew it was a small engine.

Have a look at this thread off FFOC, this guy has them fitted plus pics (throttle bodies)

http://www.ffoc.co.uk/forum/viewtopi...=96390&start=0

Pics are a bit boy racery, but you get the idea.

 

The 2.0 throttle bodies won't fit as the 1.6 Zetec is completely different from the 1.8 and 2.0 versions, which share many parts.

What's your budget? Have you considered buying an ST170 engine and box etc?

 

how much would an st170 engine and box cost, what else would i need?
Would it fit in relitively easilly?

 

Pumabuild do a full conversion for like 3k I believe. They find everything and slap it in for you.

 

Jesus Christ......

Lots of home tuners on here?

For those who tried a 1.7 tb etc why? All you do is gain a tiny bit at WOT and lose power and torque through the range

The 1.6se is much better for na tuning IMO that the 1.8/2.0 zetec-E

on the 1.6 se the head and valves will fow enough for nearly 200bhp, it's the cams, manifolding and management that are CRITICAL

The super1600 fiesta runs 220 bhp from a n/a zetec-se
Shawspeed do hundreds of them for kit cars

You will need to think about clutch and gearbox tho as the ib5 as standard is only happy up to about 150lbft

 

so with a decat and the right manifold cams and management I could be up to 160bhp and above, in that case what parts. Then I would need to do something about the gearbox as that would be pushing it. Would need to get an uprated clutch in there to!
Too many things to think about and no-one agree's! I think I have less idea now than when I started, dont know which way to go.

 

That 170bhp kit on the standard inlet sounds great value for money at just over Ł1300! Insurance friendly as well as most of the bits like cams and management will be hard to spot if you know what I mean

 

You still really need mapping on top of that and that assumes you already have the correct spec manifold and zaust and sports cat(to pass MOT)

I'd bank on over Ł3k to get 170bhp reliably

 

Thats exactly what I was thinking, surely I cannot be that easy with so many doubters and talk of big money.

 

This is what I'm saying, but you CANNOT get 160bhp with a low budget. What this other guy posted about Shawspeed is for ppl with big budgets. I at the time didn't have a big budget, but still added everything that was available from Pumabuild and Burton Power.

Buty at the end of the day, the 1.6 block is weaker than the 1.8 and 2.0 Not matter who says it is, I've tried and tested near everything in the last 3 years. This was my conclusion.

And the Puma throttle body was good enough, much better than standard.

 

Cochyn, read the Shawspeed site. 170bhp for 1300 inc vat. hardly big budget

Will be a very revy and peaky engine I would imagine though! Not much midrange I'm guessing?

 

ok, understood. Thanks

 

I think some ppl are getting a little ahead of themselves, on confusing what expensive really is to some ppl. To me, fair enough, sounds great, but then again you don't know what kind of budget this lad has.

I think you'll need to source a bit of info on what kind of options you have mate. At the end of the day, you'll probably be better off getting the ST170 conversion and going on from there. At least its a stock power output that actually reliable. No force whatsoever on the engine.

 

So basically, although some disagree I have no cheap performance solution. 170bhp from shawspeed is guna cost over 2 grand+ then I need gearbox clutch and brakes and it still wond be reliable as a daily driver. and an ST170 conversion is 3 grand!
I hoping to get a worthwhile increase for 1000 to 1500 reliably then sort the brakes later but that aint going to happen judging by the posts on here. I really dont know if cams/manifold/chip is going to satisfy me looking at 140bhp in a car that aint the lightest. It would be 2.0 litre focus pace. Not alot to show for your cash really.

 

Is it thought powered? Or powered by a Jedi mind trick?

The 1.7 tb makes no impovements apart from at WOT and loses torque at any other time. I have seen it tested on a RR in front of my very eyes. The 1.6 inlet manifold and tb will see 150bhp before a swap to TB's is necessary.

 

That's modified cars for you mate, but then again you have to look at the possitives. You have a 1.6 that has 10bhp more than a stock 2.0 Focus. Sound good to me.

You will be pretty happy with it mate, but otherwise you could try Van Aaken. Their turbo kits aren't the best set ups, but if done right you can see yourself at 160bhp quite happily. But around that kind of power you gotta think about internal parts of the engine too.

 

Just to add, i think between 3 and 4k for a 70% power increase on a n/a engine is fooking good value for money

 

Haha, funny fucker Whatever mate, made a world of difference on mine. And TBH, if I didn't want a 300bhp Focus, I would have left the FRS engine in the garage and kept my 1.6 in my Focus.

Mine was impressive enough, and I didn't have to spend stupid money to have a quick 1.6

 

I have looked into the van aaken turbo Kit as it sounded very interesting, but they said They do no performance parts for my car. I realise that, but its the Zetec SE engine out of the fiesta zetec S so surely it will fit? You think it was someone thick who saw focus and gave an automatic response?

Failing that, I think I might get cams, a manifold and a decat. Then set it up with some proper management when I get some more money. Or should I leave the cat on to save hassle, is it worth it?Any tips on cams and a manifold and maybe a de-cat and some management? Im sure I will decide wat I want eventually.

 

anyone with anything else to add, My post got a bit lost!

 

I've not heard many good things about the Van Aeken firestarter kits...lol

I'd speak to Shawspeed before I made any choices, they will give great advice. You may need to look at upgrading the rod bolts too if you are going over the standard rev limit

 

Ok thanks matt, I e-mailed shawspeed earlier, so we will see what they say. The Van aaken kit looked interesting, but think I could get that NA for the same cost, probably a bit more reliable. As cool as a turbo would be.

 

Don't bother with the Van Aaken, although I suggested it, its actually a crap piece of kit. Doesn't even come with a proper heat shield, which caused piston number 3 to melt (on 2 different engines) on a mates car.

And yes, it fits to the Focus as its exactly the same.

 

still waiting for shawspeed to get back to me :-(
I am thinking of getting manifold/cams and a re-map of some sort But dont know what to use or where to get them from. Any reccomendations on that score?

 

You will want Pumabuild for your manifold and zaust

I'd call Shawspeed rather than email them, they wont bite!!!!!!!!

Follow their recommendations rather than speccing it yourself!!!!!!

 

I got a cat back magnex, just need the manifold, will the pumabuild mani fit/suit my magnex? I will ring shawspeed at the weekend if they aint got back to me by then. Thanks again!