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Old Feb 6, 2006 | 09:53 PM
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Default Well well well, things seem to be progressing in politics!

Just watching Newsnight on BBC2 which is covering the recent activities of these protests.

Very promising stuff comming out now, Time for a shake up of the system & hopefully get this sorted once and for all
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Old Feb 6, 2006 | 09:56 PM
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Believe it when I see it
Switch it on, its quite hilarious watching the arabic bloke trying to interupt everyone in a hope to convert them to his point of view What a loser
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too many double standards in this country i'm afraid. don't condone any racial hate against anybody but it has to be said when you have people with banners demanding death , then really something needs looking at
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too many double standards in this country i'm afraid. don't condone any racial hate against anybody but it has to be said when you have people with banners demanding death , then really something needs looking at
Well thats just one thing out of many, I think the image that puts the point across best about who we are dealing with is the fat git walking down the road with a tea towel on his head and a rocket launcher on his shoulder!

I mean come on, who the fuck acts like that other than there?!

I'm quietly confident that blair has something on the brew, Not because he wants to, because he's seen the uproar of brits recently and is worried he might get overturned.

We needed that protest, a lot of brits talk about uniting, but never do. I've got faith in us yet This country won't go to pot without a fight at least
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Old Feb 6, 2006 | 10:02 PM
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to be honest I think 99% of the population don't really give a shit about colour or creed, but people playing the race/religion card EVERYTIME they want somthing/ don't agree pisses people off Double standards are due to people shitting themselfs about being branded a racist.

IMHO if a person is a dick he or she is so beacuse they act and talk like a dick, not becasue of the colour they are. Bout time we sorted this sorry mess of a country out and started employing some common sense again
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One thing i will say is that i don't want this thread to go into another battle like the other one.

I'm just pointing out that things look like they might progress this time, i really hope this is the last big thing before things change and that everyone regardless of colour, religion, race are treated equally both ways.

So lets keep it calm & just talk about how we can be on the right track to getting back on track
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Old Feb 6, 2006 | 10:11 PM
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Will soon see. At least somthing is being sorted though and it hasnt just gone by the way side! See that scum apoligising for wearing a suicide outfit at the demonstration? Hmm i wonder if he actually meant that? The Politicians have to been seen to be doing somthing as there was a public outcry at how the hell they got away with it!
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Fook blair orf out of it
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the race/religion card gonna have 2 stop soon wont even b able 2 say anything without upsetting someone
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Will soon see. At least somthing is being sorted though and it hasnt just gone by the way side! See that scum apoligising for wearing a suicide outfit at the demonstration? Hmm i wonder if he actually meant that? The Politicians have to been seen to be doing somthing as there was a public outcry at how the hell they got away with it!
He didn't mean shit He could hardly read to start with! It sounded like his mother wrote the appology note

The best way seems to humiliate the people responcible watching that bloke read the letter reminded me of how kids act when they are made to appologise and are embarassed for somethign they done wrong.

Anyhow, this the first step, and a bit of progress is better than no progress I just hope its all for the best
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Originally Posted by Rhys
Will soon see. At least somthing is being sorted though and it hasnt just gone by the way side! See that scum apoligising for wearing a suicide outfit at the demonstration? Hmm i wonder if he actually meant that? The Politicians have to been seen to be doing somthing as there was a public outcry at how the hell they got away with it!
Apologising They're getting away with what they want, free advertising and no consequences When will this and every country waken up to it. Stop this shit now!
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Agreed summat needs to be done - them pricks that were holding up them banners / dressing up as suicide bombers should be dealt with big time just as the people in the documentery i've just watched about white power bands inciting racism & selling their cd's etc to fund the bnp.
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Agreed summat needs to be done - them pricks that were holding up them banners / dressing up as suicide bombers should be dealt with big time just as the people in the documentery i've just watched about white power bands inciting racism & selling their cd's etc to fund the bnp.
Totally agree, fuck the bnp and stop racism full stop, but this shit just increases their cause and every other. Stupid wankers, making banners that effectively create barriers between anyone that doesn't support that particular faith, colour or creed and is no good to anyone, IRA springs to mind. Bin them all. If it's offensive or seen as racist, then tough
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Agreed summat needs to be done - them pricks that were holding up them banners / dressing up as suicide bombers should be dealt with big time just as the people in the documentery i've just watched about white power bands inciting racism & selling their cd's etc to fund the bnp.
Totally agree, fuck the bnp and stop racism full stop, but this shit just increases their cause and every other. Stupid wankers, making banners that effectively create barriers between anyone that doesn't support that particular faith, colour or creed and is no good to anyone, IRA springs to mind. Bin them all. If it's offensive or seen as racist, then tough
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I'm not racist by any means but it seems pretty hipocritical for these protestors to say that the muslim faith isn't a violent faith and then to go setting fire to embassies and calling for the beheading of anyone who doesn't believe in what they do! No doubt our government will end up bowing down and giving them what they want.
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I think ive been living in a cave for too long, I know of the protests due to that cartoon being shown or summi? but what was being discussed on newsnight?

I agree with what people have said on here about people playing the race card which annoys the shit out of me. If I call someone a wanker, it's because I think they are a wanker, not because they are black/white/brown/pink/blue/green end of! Also, too many people are affraid to express thier feelings due to upsetting other people and thier race / religion. For god sake we are brits living in britain, and starting to be dictated to by others that are invading our country! thats my piece said!
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Couldn't agree more jimmy boy, the racist card is pulled out far too much these days, it takes the piss when we're not even allowed to put up england flags on st.georges day!
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On the Protests;

Im I being completeley ignorant of world wide politics? or is it the case that the UK appears to be the only country having major issues.

Why the UK , where are we going wrong? Yet other countrys appear not to be?
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seeing wankers like that its no wonder more peeps are racist imo
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a guy up this way got 18 months in the slammer for handing out bnp leaflets,got charged for inciting racial hatred,its a sad day when legitimate residents who have a bit of pride in their country(misguided in some ways or not) are jailed for handing out leaflets,but a bunch of scum can wave their placards decrying our society and everything it stands for with no punishment,we are just turning into second class citizens in our own country,fed up of people tiptoeing around these issues for fear of upsetting these minority groups,these problems should be tackled head on before it gets out of control,mass deportations of trouble makers and religious fanatics,they can all go back to where they belong,why should we change our way of life for these people to feel welcome they are the visitors here and should be the ones that change their way of life,and if they cant conform then they have no right to be here,this deep seated religious hatred will never go away just come to scotland and listen to some of the pathetic sectarian bigots and you will realise that it is bred into society and people are raised with it passed down from father to son
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B8- there's too many do gooders in this country that will listen to these extremists, thats where we're going wrong!
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Originally Posted by B8
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Im I being completeley ignorant of world wide politics? or is it the case that the UK appears to be the only country having major issues.

Why the UK , where are we going wrong? Yet other countrys appear not to be?
because we let them away with it,because of our liberal governments pipe dream of a multi racial multi cultural utopia ha ha ha ha ha,never saw the police wading in there heavy handed like they do with white protestors,why not ?because they dont want race riots again,bet if it had been bnp protestors outside the pakistani embassy the police would have been in there knocking lumps oot of them and hundreds of arrests,double standards or what.there have been major problems in some muslim countries as well but then again most of their governments promote religious hatred
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There needs to be a big shake up, and a wake up call as to the fact that this is britain with the british way of life / religion. Not a mish mash of dozens of foreigners religions / way of life. Why do they feel they have to protest if we dont respect thier religion, when they obviously have no respect for ours at all, and it's our bloody country! I mean, if anyone should be outraged and holding protests itt should be us british in our native land! due to foriegners not respecting OUR religion!

If im starting to sound a little racist, then thats too bad cause that is my point of view and im pissed off with people not saying what they really think because they are worried they may upset someone / someone's culture / religion.

They are my thoughts wether you agree with them or not.
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Like i say jimmy boy, i cou;dnt agree more with you, if we were to go to their country we would have to respect their laws/religiond etc. whereas here, someone is allowed to roam the streets of london dressed as a suicide bomber 6 months after the london bombings and all he gets is a slapped wrist! We're too soft! He should be jailed or deported!
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Originally Posted by Matt J
Trouble is what other options are there than the BNP? if you dont think (like me) that the current government or the tories can/will sort the problem, who else is there left to support?

I wont just NOT vote because I dont like either of the main 2 parties, my vote will go to the party who closest represents doing something about the issues at hand, and for me thats the BNP, the NF are to hard core by far and arent taken seriously enough, The BNP are on the up and its events like this that will keep it that way.
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On a funny note, that lad dressed as a suicide bomber was out on parole from prision, he'd been sent down for drug dealing !!!!

All you have to do to get parole is stay in your sell all week playing on the ps2 and watching corrie !!

As said above i wont be voting for labour or conservatives next time i'll be voting for a government that puts the intrest of our country first instead of Iraq's !
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What I don't get is that the ordinaty muslims (non-extremists) keep saying that they don't condone what is being said and done.

Why don't they sort it out between themselves, apologise profusely and leave us out of it

I don't see any efforts from the muslim community to help get rid of al-qaeda, expulse the extremists back to their own country, etc... ?

The west keeps getting blamed for not understanding the real problems, the religion, etc... surely, someone who DOES understand it fully would be able to resolve the issue better, faster and with a lot less aggro for everyone else
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Originally Posted by Matt J
Trouble is what other options are there than the BNP? if you dont think (like me).
Enough said
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What I don't get is that the ordinaty muslims (non-extremists) keep saying that they don't condone what is being said and done.

Why don't they sort it out between themselves, apologise profusely and leave us out of it

I don't see any efforts from the muslim community to help get rid of al-qaeda, expulse the extremists back to their own country, etc... ?

The west keeps getting blamed for not understanding the real problems, the religion, etc... surely, someone who DOES understand it fully would be able to resolve the issue better, faster and with a lot less aggro for everyone else
A very valid point this, Surprised it wasn't brought up sooner.

We need a middleman, if you have legal problems, you don't try and deal with it yourself, you consult a solicitor. So why not the same for whats going on now?

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Not so much a middleman, but someone who is actually feeling the brunt of the extremism.
The average muslim in this country (and others) is unfairly being put in a "terrorist" bucket imo because of a small minority...
I firmly believe they should do more to help stamp out the minority for their own (and ultimately everyone's) benefit.
Moderate muslim leaders in this country talk the talk, I don't see them walk the walk

At least the extremists won't be able to say it's the west against them if the whole moderate muslim world turns against them
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Originally Posted by Matt J
Trouble is what other options are there than the BNP? if you dont think (like me) that the current government or the tories can/will sort the problem, who else is there left to support?

I wont just NOT vote because I dont like either of the main 2 parties, my vote will go to the party who closest represents doing something about the issues at hand, and for me thats the BNP, the NF are to hard core by far and arent taken seriously enough, The BNP are on the up and its events like this that will keep it that way.
So what are your views on the bnp wanting to "keep britain white" by 'trying' to get rid of all non whites?
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Trouble is what other options are there than the BNP? if you dont think (like me) that the current government or the tories can/will sort the problem, who else is there left to support?

I wont just NOT vote because I dont like either of the main 2 parties, my vote will go to the party who closest represents doing something about the issues at hand, and for me thats the BNP, the NF are to hard core by far and arent taken seriously enough, The BNP are on the up and its events like this that will keep it that way.
So what are your views on the bnp wanting to "keep britain white" by 'trying' to get rid of all non whites?
It's bollocks and narrow minded Sorry

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Originally Posted by AJ
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Trouble is what other options are there than the BNP? if you dont think (like me) that the current government or the tories can/will sort the problem, who else is there left to support?

I wont just NOT vote because I dont like either of the main 2 parties, my vote will go to the party who closest represents doing something about the issues at hand, and for me thats the BNP, the NF are to hard core by far and arent taken seriously enough, The BNP are on the up and its events like this that will keep it that way.
So what are your views on the bnp wanting to "keep britain white" by 'trying' to get rid of all non whites?
It's bollocks and narrow minded Sorry

Next thing you know, they'll be asking the frogs to go home
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Agreed BNP and not a good party at all they want purly the UK to be full of "British" people etc. While that might be fine for me and u it want for a large % of population!!! Plus this country needs imigration to fill jobs and bring wealth etc. So i openly welcome genuine immigrants

Just the small few you get protesting these plaques around etc. Trouble is it will backfire on them too as it will make more "uneducated in this area" people vote for BNP for this reason
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sta...al/default.stm

Anyone who thinks the BNP are a good force in this country should watch this, I read through their Manifesto a few weeks back and I must say I agreed with over 90% of it.

But and its a very big but most of the leading members are proper facists, I mean one of the guys signs his letter "HH" or Heil Hitler ffs
and Nick Griffin is a Holocaust denier.

I think if you look under the thin skin or face its basically a National Socialist (Nazi) party and if thats your thing then fair enough, but don't try and decieve people who are rather vunerable to this mainly because of the present climate just to win votes.
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Plus this country needs imigration to fill jobs and bring wealth etc. So i openly welcome genuine immigrants
Im sorry but I dont agree. As far as I am concerned we have enough imigrants and need to put a stop to it. I dont see why we need them to fill jobs when have so many houndred thousand unemployed people ourself.

We need a more out, less in approach as far as im concerned. Sorry if that sounds narrow minded but thats how I feel.
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Originally Posted by frog
The west keeps getting blamed for not understanding the real problems, the religion, etc... surely, someone who DOES understand it fully would be able to resolve the issue better, faster and with a lot less aggro for everyone else
It would help if so much history wasn't "kept" from us, or if people simply looked into things a bit further back.

Is Nick Griffin denying the holocaust ever happened or just questioning numbers?

It would also help if we didn't take the media so seriously. When the final solution is offered, do not take it blindly.
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