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Kieron

Ben me ole China, maybe I was a bit harsh with my response earlier so for that I apologise. However alot of your info is bollocks at best. No offence.

Now I'm no doctor or nothing but I have a little experience with the subject. That can be a dangerous thing I know but I always try not to impart any broscience on anyone and if you read through my posts on here I never ever suggested that anyone takes gear. I may answer the odd question, if I feel qualified to, but I don't know anyone on here from Adam so would never tell anyone that gear is right for them. I'm quite anti it in most cases.

Anyway with my self assessment out of the way lol, I just wanted to respond to a couple of things.

Oral only cycles. These were very highly thought of not so many moons ago. Infact in the early days I would say orals were the only way. Anabol would have been the drug of choice in the 70's. None of these fancy peps that we are treated to now. The reason why people would want to pop pill after pill is that they are fearful of taking it to the next level and jabbing. Quite simply orals are seen as less serious than injectables. I mean we all pop aspirin but not many folks jab themselves. It is kinda frowned upon. Or at least was before the current "fuck it" brigade of youngsters were bred. Infact I would still suggest that 35mg of ana ed would be a good low starter course for a novice. The half life of oral is less than alot of oils so is quicker out of your system. Yes there are side effects with the liver but who doesn't binge drink nowadays?? Shall we start a cruisade on that while we are at it and make them all take Milk Thistle before a night out? lol. As Stephen BM has rightly pointed out, I don't think Milk Thistle has been proven to help liver values in regards to oral steroid use. It was last years must use supp. No doubt something different has been discovered and all the sheep are using that now.

Orals shutting you down and not gaining. Test will shut you down far harder than most orals. Depends on what we are talking and doses etc but they are shutting you down as the unnatural test levels they are giving your body is overloading it to the point that it doesn't produce its own. You will gain on a course shut down or not. Yes there is a risk you shut down but thats where pct comes in. I do know what it means btw, I know the drugs to take for it, doses, lengths etc. Again, pct is a fairly new mindset used to overcome problems that BB's had in the past. I take it that you know alot of pct drugs are not to kick your natural test production in but to suppress the female hormone that your body produces to counter all the male hormone you have subjected it to?

HCG is one drug to aid your sperm production but can also produce sides of high estrogen levels (which it does not counter). HCG can produce side effects too you know. If fighting fire with fire.

I am all to familiar with systems shutting down. I've experienced it personally and was infertile for some time. It's something I have discussed on here before. PCT may have helped with it, according to my specialist HCG would not. Low self esteem and mild depression can be there I agree with but these are not givens. You have to be that way inclinded for the drugs/hormone levels to trigger these emotions as they just amplify them imho. Its the old roid rage scenario, steroids do not turn a placid person into a killer. You have to have a screw loose in the first place. Not sure on the cases of suicide but it sounds more like a scapegoat/urban myth to me.

Talking of girlfriends leaving, she is more likely to fuck off when she caught me fucking her sister than because mr happy doesn't work. lol. I am still with my wife despite being told I was infirtile and that I had destroyed my system. Guess what, we have a 4 year old son now and unless my dad got in there he is mine as hes the spit of me. pmsl

The dick and rage comments were a joke BTW. They are stereotypical responses that the uninformed public label gear heads with. I was being sarcastic buddy. I don't doubt that you can get HCG droplets but I think they are more herbal for dieting etc? Pharma and UG stuff generally comes as a powder that you mix with sterile water and is injectable. HCG (human choronic gonad... sp) is a hormone released by females when pregnant BTW. You can test if your HCG is real with pregnancy kits. It stimlulates testicles to produce sperm, but I don't need to tell you that the testosterone hormone in men is produced in a part of your brain, not your bollocks..... Testosterone and sperm are not the same, but one requires the other for production.

Anyway, I hope the above is clearer and I have come across a bit better by taking the time to respond rather than attack. The attack must have been roid rage and now I have taken some pct I am back to normal and more amicable.

BlackRs

No matter if your an expert or a novice on the subject of steroid use, you can always guarantee a laugh with these threads!
I couldn't agree more with the point of inexperienced people giving the steroid subject a bad name. Is a shame everyone is an 'expert' nowadays

Whatever you decide to do.. Best of luck