Martinshuter

rich,

sorry mate my mistake, was in a day dream i think. lol.

Going to be starting that cycle soon and looking to make some good gains, need to get my shitty deadlift up.

my guy does a mix called androbolic, which is test prop and tren ace in one vial. good stuff but very very pricey.

ballin

iTrader: (1)

haha no probs mate.

yeah heard of that, comes under various name such as TNT - (test'n'tren)
androbolic is made by UKB isn't it? 100mg test and 100mg tren?

good stuff is tren, potent, but good!

Ollie.

Thanks Rich... Its good to be able to ask someone who really knows what they are talking about. I have been considering using some for a short period just to bulk up and then try to maintain once finished.

Is this possible or is it a case of once you're on them you have to stay on them? Would all gains be lost if i didnt keep using?

ballin

iTrader: (1)

nah you dont have to stay on.

simplest way of putting it is everyone has a natural genetic limit.
if you're genetic limit is say 15 stone, then if you are 14st and you use gear and get to 16 stone, then when you come off slowly over time you will drop to 15 stone. if you keep your training and diet up then you will maintain the muscle up to your max potential - in this case 15stone.

does that make sense?


ps. although AAS are not technically addictive, they are in a sort of way. I 100% guarantee you wont just do one cycle, EVERYONE and i do mean EVERYONE says that lol, and then 2 years down the line they are on 3/4 cycles a year!

Ollie.

That was what i meant mate. Maybe do 3 or 4 courses for a year then wind down and see how it goes?

Are there likely to be problems health wise from a small period like that? Are the stores true of heart problems using them?

ballin

iTrader: (1)

not really.

depends what meds you use, and what condition your body is currently in!

Some meds put more strain on certain organs than others, ie. most orals will be particularly toxic to the liver, whereas [99%] injectables aren't.

a lot of meds can put a strain on the heart due to increased blood pressure, which can be caused by massive water retention (deca, test etc. cause this in abundance - but can be controlled)

basically if you are careful then steroids pose no real threat short term. long term is unlikely also, but not really proven.

BTW> 3 or 4 courses in the first year would be too much. i would suggest a 10 week cycle, which including PCT would give you a total of 15 weeks 'on'.

time off = time on so you would then need a 15 week break.
thats 30 weeks gone, so as you can see you just about get 2 cycles a year!

When you get more advanced you can do shorter cycles, or cut down the off time but to begin with it would be sensible to stick to time off= time on.

PS. get blood work done before (so you know natural test levels) and after. yes it costs, but health is important!

Martinshuter

rich,

yes UKB are my supplier. very very strong stuff. like i said i picked up some huge weight of test, deca cycles but my diet was pefect.

im looking to pick up another 2 stone on cycle. I was thinking of doing that then a short course of Anavar to help me cut up. what do you think?

ballin

iTrader: (1)

cutting is all down to diet really, but then i expect you know that

you wont blow up too much on the tren anyway, in fact tren is quite a nice cutting drug. 2 stone is a lot to aim for from that cycle but good luck with it!

personally, i would come off that cycle and see what BF% you are sitting at. You may be able to cut using just clen and eca etc but depends how easy you find it?

Rsmat

iTrader: (2)

well im halfway through a 10 week cycle and at jst 5 weeks in ive put 2 stone on. i inject 1ml of sustanon in the buttack every monday followed by 1ml of decanoate in each bicep every thursday and take 5 tabs of d-bol everyday. luckly for me on this stack i get no side effects but as said everyone is different so its a matter of trying and finding ur best stack for ur own body. hope this helps joe m8.

Martinshuter

matt,

i think you need to re-think your cycle mate.

you always need more testosterone than deca for a start.

i really doubt in 5 weeks you have out on 2 stones!!!! thats 28lbs. how many calories do you take in every day? Why put the shot of deca in your bicep? why not front quad?

What PCT do you have lined up for after this cycle?

you will be very lucky if you dont get side effects off this cycle!! no high blood pressure? mood swings? acne? oh and if you think you have no sides, check your liver values and then get ready for the shock.

Rsmat

iTrader: (2)

yup its true i was 11st when i started now im jst over 13st .

my own preference that i spot in my bicep jst the way i like it really

dnt get the wrong idea of me cos ill be the first to admit im not 100% clued up on em but on this stack im doing fine so far. i take 1000mg of vitamin C every 2 days to hopefully flush liver out as was told to. ive put some very good gains on so far im constent eating and putting 40grams of protain in me every 2 hrs and drinking loads of water.


breakfast this morn was 9 weetabix 4 hard boiled eggs and a banana that was at 8.30am by 10am i was hungry agen but also getting tired easy on certain days

Ollie.

What is the best stack for a first timer??

Everything...ie meds etc as well.