thank you Tones for your input as myself and others who arrange club events are under no illusions how hard it is to organise such things, in the past 3 years I have had way too many complaints to warrant holding a club stand at both events without consultation now in advance, hence this topic to seek input from those who are the voice of PF to decide our participation at this show for 2014 and whatever the decision is reached I will abide by it