8 weeks mate but that was with la muscle products, the best out there in my opinion, and explosive creatine too. I was eating 5000cal per day and 300g protein minimum, weight gain shakes protein shakes vitamins and prob loadsa of other stuff i forgot. Back in the day when i wasnt spending all my money on a mortgage and the cossie. My aim now is 14.5 stone so thats a 1.5 increase but by using now products, just pure diet,

P.s i say small frame but its pretty big up top, just my chicken legs letting me down