right martin after a horrid day of wires and sorting i found the right combination, it now runs but only when the ignition and the car is live, and not via the temp gauge, i belive the fan switch or the thermostat, which ever it should be connected to is broken, ? so these arnt in the circuit at all.

This is how i have connected the relay,

Battery live - ground
Ignition live - Fan Live
Fan Ground - Chassis ground

So now im left with 3 wires, 2 attached to either the fan switch or the thermostat (the one which a coolant pipe enters on the right side of the engine as your looking at it), and a Red and black wire which goes into the loom exact same colour as the fan, big shout out to martin for having patience on this . Ash