btw as for animals rights,,, we are a nation of blood sport lovers,,,,, we invented most of them, hyde park was used for bear baiting ffs, dog fights, cock fights, womens bare knuckle boxing with weapons of choice

i still love cage fighting and love boxing too which im sure some find disturbing

its all about culture, we have to respect each others or the world will never get along which is what we REALLY need to aim for that way we would not loose family and friends to wars that really the only people who win are the contractors and the people selling the weapons