I don't get why one has to be better than the other. Nothing to do with being fair, they both have merits and people choose with their wallets. If I'd have wanted the Renault I'd have bought one, I didn't like the old Focus but really liked the RS so that was the car for me.

I've got a VXR Nurburgring and I think its a cracking car, totally nuts. Doesn't matter what forum your on, lots of good cars out there.