yep we have m8, and as i said everyone is entitled to there opinions, did you give your opinion on personal experiance of them or just what you have read??? and i do use them for what power and boost i think they are capable of running, i wouldnt personally run them on a car thats boosting at 16,17,18 psi i would buy a grs, or pro alloy like my mate has. I got no problem m8 with peoples opinions on here anymore as this site has been very helpful to me including you, karlos g, turbozvh, etc