ran im at pysio 3 days a week now got a 45 deg bend so alot of work to do they did all my ligaments its stopped paining me full time now wierdest thing my pysio is cheif of this sports place my quads were like on fire as they took grafts from thier she ask werabouts a pressed it OUCHAFOOKA! but then she says tell me when it goes! i couldnt see the logic until after about a min the pain went she moved on did the whole quads pressin hard on the pain and it just went well mad made me smile tho as the pain was gettin to me abit just frustrates ya as cant do anything but tek it so am pleased but me legs skinny like a golf club its orible champoin scars tho tell the kids some stories