woo hoooo got it sorted took metering unit to bits and realised the paddle hight thingy wasnt even touching the metering bit wound mixture screw bout 40 turns till i felt resistance as soon as i touched the paddle first turn of the key it fired up a bit lumpy but it was running on its own, very happy now was starting to piss me off , but at least its ok now for the welding and panels cheers for ya help chaps ta matt