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hi ya mate
i agree with eveyone else, them two bikes are fantastic, but if you want a ducati why not go for a 748, like mine, its fast enough, got the looks and noise, but is a bit more managable to learn on, and its my first big bike,
ill move up to a larger engine when im more experienced, but at the mo, its more than fast enough and can out handle some bigger bikes
my mates just bought a 55 r6 and mines faster and out handles it,
get a duke mate, youll love it
Bryan