Discussion on Cossie understeer and Rear Beams (title edited
08-04-2007, 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Nash
JjCoDeX75 Lmao, there only a tenner 
If it will stop you moaning, you can have mine when i get my beam if you havn't sorted something by then!
If it will stop you moaning, you can have mine when i get my beam if you havn't sorted something by then!Depending on your timescale, I may well take you up on this, but may have a chat with Mike in the mean time!
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23-04-2007, 09:53 PM
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Nearly there now guys 
the beam is fitted to the car, just need to bolt everything else on and get the new exhaust fitted etc, then have the geometry looked at
pics so far
it's amazing how i couldn't get into my head how the new beam would adjust to actually improve grip and alter geometry etc.....but then when it's there in front of you it's so simple LOL
the beam is fitted to the car, just need to bolt everything else on and get the new exhaust fitted etc, then have the geometry looked at
pics so far
it's amazing how i couldn't get into my head how the new beam would adjust to actually improve grip and alter geometry etc.....but then when it's there in front of you it's so simple LOL
24-04-2007, 05:42 PM
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the beam is on and the car now driveable...hate the new mongoose though 
it instantly feels better tbh, it's instantly noticeable that it's stiffer and more surefooted. Just need to get it setup now and i'll throw it into some corners
it instantly feels better tbh, it's instantly noticeable that it's stiffer and more surefooted. Just need to get it setup now and i'll throw it into some corners
24-04-2007, 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by bud-weis
the beam is on and the car now driveable...hate the new mongoose though
it instantly feels better tbh, it's instantly noticeable that it's stiffer and more surefooted. Just need to get it setup now and i'll throw it into some corners
it instantly feels better tbh, it's instantly noticeable that it's stiffer and more surefooted. Just need to get it setup now and i'll throw it into some corners
dont throw it too hard into the corners. We dont want you killing yourself until you have written a lenghty report on how much better having a proper beam is
24-04-2007, 10:58 PM
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i'm careful driver really it seems good after the few short journeys i've done, although it's literally only been set by eye, so it's gonna be all over the place geometry wise.
the exhaust is slightly knocking on the beam too (the mounting bracket on the exhaust needs bending to clear the trailing arms, obviously it needs slightyl more )
oh and it's the strapped version btw ( i think i said i was getting a normal one before)
updates by the end of the week hopefully
24-04-2007, 11:07 PM
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not sure yet
maybe a guy who lives locally if i can get hold of him lol
otherwise not too sure, possibly Brom if he isn't too busy, i'll have to call him and check.
My dad could do it tbh, but we just don't have the equipment needed
maybe a guy who lives locally if i can get hold of him lol
otherwise not too sure, possibly Brom if he isn't too busy, i'll have to call him and check.
My dad could do it tbh, but we just don't have the equipment needed
25-04-2007, 09:21 AM
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take it to chemix mate, they do a FREE 4 wheel laser track allignment, inc camber/castor/toe checks etc. Then take it home and adjust it, then take it back to another chemix and get it checked again - If you go to halesowen one, they will probably let you adjust the beam there and then if you offer them a good drink top bunch of lads, a few of them have had cossies in the past
- If you go to halesowen one, they will probably let you adjust the beam there and then if you offer them a good drink top bunch of lads, a few of them have had cossies in the past
25-04-2007, 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by RWD_cossie_wil
If you go to halesowen one, they will probably let you adjust the beam there and then if you offer them a good drink top bunch of lads, a few of them have had cossies in the past
top bunch of lads, a few of them have had cossies in the past Do you know how much they charge roughly for a set-up ( assuming all adjusters are freed off etc )
25-04-2007, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
It is normal to have to cut the brackets off the exhaust and reposition them with the 6° rear beam... .
.i know, Brom told me i'd have to...we actually did a very good job tbh i thought, but under hardish braking it just knocks a little...the brackets haven't been cut either yet, just bent with my mighty arm strength
it feels good even with the 'miles from perfect' geometry...the back end actually follows the front
25-04-2007, 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
It is normal to have to cut the brackets off the exhaust and reposition them with the 6° rear beam... .
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25-04-2007, 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
It is normal to have to cut the brackets off the exhaust and reposition them with the 6° rear beam... .
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25-04-2007, 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike1
Originally Posted by RWD_cossie_wil
If you go to halesowen one, they will probably let you adjust the beam there and then if you offer them a good drink top bunch of lads, a few of them have had cossies in the past
top bunch of lads, a few of them have had cossies in the past Do you know how much they charge roughly for a set-up ( assuming all adjusters are freed off etc )
Never ask anyone in the office as they will just sting you full price , and a spin in the car afterwards is always a good bribe
25-04-2007, 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Franco
Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
It is normal to have to cut the brackets off the exhaust and reposition them with the 6° rear beam... .
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25-04-2007, 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by RWD_cossie_wil
Trouble is they are not motorsport specialist, and hence you will get billed for each adjustment, so camber is say Ł20, Toe is Ł20 etc etc, you might be better off wandering in and chatting to the lads on the shop floor, they will probably sort you out if you sort them out Never ask anyone in the office as they will just sting you full price , and a spin in the car afterwards is always a good bribe
Never ask anyone in the office as they will just sting you full price , and a spin in the car afterwards is always a good bribe
25-04-2007, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Charlie Chalk
Originally Posted by bud-weis
will do mate, should be in the next couple of days 
Whos setting it up for you?!
25-04-2007, 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by BROM@ZOO
Originally Posted by Charlie Chalk
Originally Posted by bud-weis
will do mate, should be in the next couple of days
Whos setting it up for you?!
but i've just had it set up (i was gonna call and see if you were available, but i couldn't find time to get to your neck of the woods
, but again thanks for the offer)The beam is fookin awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i just had it set up at Chemix in Wordsley (they have some great gear for this sort of thing
)basically the settings when we got there were ;
just over 2degrees camber on the rear left and about 1.5degrees rear right, which wasn't too bad tbh....but the toe was a 'little' bit out
we had 6.1mm toe in on the rear left and 8.6mm toe in on the rear right (just shows how setting by eye is impossible )Afterwards i now have ;
2 degrees camber either side
1mm toe in either side.
they also gave me a graphs of all of the geometry settings, with front/rear setback, lateral offset, track width difference and axle offset, i'll post these if any1 is interested, although i doubt you are
Driving the car now is just so so good
, the rear end feels so connected, you turn the car in a little and the rear follows so sharply, it almost surprise you tbh lol...and then when you put the power down as your exiting a corner, the car feels more stable and less likely to bite....before it felt like you could actually feel the bushes struggling to keep the suspension where it was supposed to be, and it gave it a very twitchy feel. Now you can put the hammer down and the car will exit smoothly and without drama.I've yet to drive it really really hard, but as soon as i do i'll give my findings lol!
MASSIVE THANKS TO BROM, THE BEAM IS AWESOME, THANKS MATE
25-04-2007, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by bud-weis
just over 2degrees camber on the rear left and about 1.5degrees rear right, which wasn't too bad tbh....but the toe was a 'little' bit out we had 6.1mm toe in on the rear left and 8.6mm toe in on the rear right (just shows how setting by eye is impossible )
we had 6.1mm toe in on the rear left and 8.6mm toe in on the rear right (just shows how setting by eye is impossible ) Although the Sierra competed in the Pro class in Time Attack 3 weeks ago and was flying around Combe this weekend on a Beam that was set up by eye 
Nothing like proper preparation
Looking forward to driving it when its set up properly after what you have said. Hopefully the cronic understeer will be better
Mines a Brom beam too
25-04-2007, 05:27 PM
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no worrys there then glad you like it getting the toe in angle is the most important thing camber angles you can play about with but its the toe in that counts rember this when buying other beams out there that dont have ajustablitly on the toe angle
i have sold lots more road beams now i doing them for Ł550 its more afordable to ya avrage cozzy driver
i have sold lots more road beams now i doing them for Ł550 its more afordable to ya avrage cozzy driver
25-04-2007, 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Porkie
Originally Posted by bud-weis
just over 2degrees camber on the rear left and about 1.5degrees rear right, which wasn't too bad tbh....but the toe was a 'little' bit out we had 6.1mm toe in on the rear left and 8.6mm toe in on the rear right (just shows how setting by eye is impossible )
we had 6.1mm toe in on the rear left and 8.6mm toe in on the rear right (just shows how setting by eye is impossible ) Although the Sierra competed in the Pro class in Time Attack 3 weeks ago and was flying around Combe this weekend on a Beam that was set up by eye :
25-04-2007, 05:43 PM
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martoon is a cooont but he is right when ya know what ya looking at ya can get it very close by eye the hardest bit is front end trimin the sterring wheel stright as mike knows when i did his saff i wont be happy till its completly straight
but he is right when ya know what ya looking at ya can get it very close by eye the hardest bit is front end trimin the sterring wheel stright as mike knows when i did his saff i wont be happy till its completly straight
25-04-2007, 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by BROM@ZOO
martoon is a cooont but he is right when ya know what ya looking at ya can get it very close by eye the hardest bit is front end trimin the sterring wheel stright as mike knows when i did his saff i wont be happy till its completly straight
but he is right when ya know what ya looking at ya can get it very close by eye the hardest bit is front end trimin the sterring wheel stright as mike knows when i did his saff i wont be happy till its completly straight Not many people would have taken the time
It's one of my pet hates with a 3 spoke steering wheel if it's slightly off centre.
Martin
The beam sounds great
25-04-2007, 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by bud-weis
Originally Posted by BROM@ZOO
Originally Posted by Charlie Chalk
Originally Posted by bud-weis
will do mate, should be in the next couple of days
Whos setting it up for you?!
but i've just had it set up (i was gonna call and see if you were available, but i couldn't find time to get to your neck of the woods
, but again thanks for the offer)The beam is fookin awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i just had it set up at Chemix in Wordsley (they have some great gear for this sort of thing
)basically the settings when we got there were ;
just over 2degrees camber on the rear left and about 1.5degrees rear right, which wasn't too bad tbh....but the toe was a 'little' bit out
we had 6.1mm toe in on the rear left and 8.6mm toe in on the rear right (just shows how setting by eye is impossible )Afterwards i now have ;
2 degrees camber either side
1mm toe in either side.
they also gave me a graphs of all of the geometry settings, with front/rear setback, lateral offset, track width difference and axle offset, i'll post these if any1 is interested, although i doubt you are
Driving the car now is just so so good
, the rear end feels so connected, you turn the car in a little and the rear follows so sharply, it almost surprise you tbh lol...and then when you put the power down as your exiting a corner, the car feels more stable and less likely to bite....before it felt like you could actually feel the bushes struggling to keep the suspension where it was supposed to be, and it gave it a very twitchy feel. Now you can put the hammer down and the car will exit smoothly and without drama.I've yet to drive it really really hard, but as soon as i do i'll give my findings lol!
MASSIVE THANKS TO BROM, THE BEAM IS AWESOME, THANKS MATE
as even from shell to shell you will struggle to keep the same settings on std parts.personally i prefer alittle more toe than that for straight line stability but you will probably never get to try it any other way, but if your hapy with it then all is good
and if you set it up with lazer alignment then keeping the steering wheel straight is a piece of piss
25-04-2007, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Porkie
Originally Posted by bud-weis
just over 2degrees camber on the rear left and about 1.5degrees rear right, which wasn't too bad tbh....but the toe was a 'little' bit out we had 6.1mm toe in on the rear left and 8.6mm toe in on the rear right (just shows how setting by eye is impossible )
we had 6.1mm toe in on the rear left and 8.6mm toe in on the rear right (just shows how setting by eye is impossible ) Although the Sierra competed in the Pro class in Time Attack 3 weeks ago and was flying around Combe this weekend on a Beam that was set up by eye Nothing like proper preparation
Looking forward to driving it when its set up properly after what you have said. Hopefully the cronic understeer will be better
Mines a Brom beam too
25-04-2007, 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by markk
Originally Posted by Porkie
Originally Posted by bud-weis
just over 2degrees camber on the rear left and about 1.5degrees rear right, which wasn't too bad tbh....but the toe was a 'little' bit out we had 6.1mm toe in on the rear left and 8.6mm toe in on the rear right (just shows how setting by eye is impossible )
we had 6.1mm toe in on the rear left and 8.6mm toe in on the rear right (just shows how setting by eye is impossible ) Although the Sierra competed in the Pro class in Time Attack 3 weeks ago and was flying around Combe this weekend on a Beam that was set up by eye Nothing like proper preparation
Looking forward to driving it when its set up properly after what you have said. Hopefully the cronic understeer will be better
Mines a Brom beam too
25-04-2007, 08:42 PM
#197
Originally Posted by martin-reyland
Originally Posted by markk
Originally Posted by Porkie
Originally Posted by bud-weis
just over 2degrees camber on the rear left and about 1.5degrees rear right, which wasn't too bad tbh....but the toe was a 'little' bit out we had 6.1mm toe in on the rear left and 8.6mm toe in on the rear right (just shows how setting by eye is impossible )
we had 6.1mm toe in on the rear left and 8.6mm toe in on the rear right (just shows how setting by eye is impossible ) Although the Sierra competed in the Pro class in Time Attack 3 weeks ago and was flying around Combe this weekend on a Beam that was set up by eye Nothing like proper preparation
Looking forward to driving it when its set up properly after what you have said. Hopefully the cronic understeer will be better
Mines a Brom beam too
but did have an open and then a plated why ?
25-04-2007, 08:42 PM
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Not read the entire thread but my Escort was a dog going round corners (i'm sure the driver did not help at all!). The thing would understeer more than my 309 diesel!!LOL
I think the centre diff has something to do with it - constant drive to the front and variable to the back just don't sound right to me. Surely the back should have the constant drive and the front be variable!
I think the centre diff has something to do with it - constant drive to the front and variable to the back just don't sound right to me. Surely the back should have the constant drive and the front be variable!
25-04-2007, 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by markk
Originally Posted by martin-reyland
Originally Posted by markk
Originally Posted by Porkie
Originally Posted by bud-weis
just over 2degrees camber on the rear left and about 1.5degrees rear right, which wasn't too bad tbh....but the toe was a 'little' bit out we had 6.1mm toe in on the rear left and 8.6mm toe in on the rear right (just shows how setting by eye is impossible )
we had 6.1mm toe in on the rear left and 8.6mm toe in on the rear right (just shows how setting by eye is impossible ) Although the Sierra competed in the Pro class in Time Attack 3 weeks ago and was flying around Combe this weekend on a Beam that was set up by eye Nothing like proper preparation
Looking forward to driving it when its set up properly after what you have said. Hopefully the cronic understeer will be better
Mines a Brom beam too
but did have an open and then a plated why ?
25-04-2007, 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by martin-reyland
Originally Posted by markk
Originally Posted by martin-reyland
Originally Posted by markk
Originally Posted by Porkie
Originally Posted by bud-weis
just over 2degrees camber on the rear left and about 1.5degrees rear right, which wasn't too bad tbh....but the toe was a 'little' bit out we had 6.1mm toe in on the rear left and 8.6mm toe in on the rear right (just shows how setting by eye is impossible )
we had 6.1mm toe in on the rear left and 8.6mm toe in on the rear right (just shows how setting by eye is impossible ) Although the Sierra competed in the Pro class in Time Attack 3 weeks ago and was flying around Combe this weekend on a Beam that was set up by eye Nothing like proper preparation
Looking forward to driving it when its set up properly after what you have said. Hopefully the cronic understeer will be better
Mines a Brom beam too
but did have an open and then a plated why ?
i did try an atb in a 4wd sapphire one but not in anger enough to say wether it was good or bad tbh, id be interested in what you find are you running a plated ?