irishescorts

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A friend of mine is thinking about selling his Sierra. Long story short, it was a rusty 3 door Cosworth reshelled into a standard 2.0 non-sunroof shell. Everything was transferred over and it wears the 1987 reg Cosworth ID.

It's black, fairly clean (not mint) and pretty much standard bar BBS alloys.

What would this car be worth in todays market? I understand it'll be nowhere near the £20-30k genuine cars are making but it's probably the closest I'll ever be able to afford if I can buy it.

The Youth.

iTrader: (1)

its not a ringer as the replacement shell wasn't stolen, but it essentially is,it cannot have the id of the original shell, it must have the id os the std 2.0 shell
as for value, its a breaker IMO


Steve

gcfcos

in essence it is a ringed car. Not for any criminal intention obviously. Parts car in my opinion but it's up to u if u want to take the risk

irishescorts

I'm pretty sure he has the original 2.0 ID aswell. For talks sake, what would it be worth in that case if it was still using the standard cars plates?

The Youth.

iTrader: (1)

What its worth in parts really, which is quite high!!
not an expert to put a figure on it but a standard car in very good condition to break must do over 10k surely

Steve

Caddyshack

I suspect it could go through an IVA type test / points and get a Q plate to clarify OR go back to the 2.0 number plate age related and who would care. I bet it if was half the price of a normal one that would be a bargain.

I also suspect that someone could buy a real Cossie shell.

irishescorts

I was thinking around the same myself but TBH I haven't been in the Ford game for a few years and it is an awkward one so decided to ask on here

jamie956

If your mate wants to be honest i would say 13-15k, a mate had one the same re shelled into a new Motorsport shell and that sold for 10k about 2 years ago

The Youth.

iTrader: (1)

13 to 15 k for a 2.0 sierra with a cosworth engine and trim/ bodykit???
How on earth do you work that out!


Steve

Caddyshack

Depends how you look at it, maybe it is a Cosworth with a 2.0 shell. What would it cost to buy all of those second hand parts and it did all come from one car so all parts would be age and type correct.

Loads of "real" Cossies will probably less original, loads will have been re shelled or built up out of other cars, just look at the amount that the breakers go through, they all get rebuilt and many were stolen in the good old days.

Not saying you are wrong, just another view.

Would it drive any different to any other Cossie?

Adam-M

I'd use what these two sell for as a guide, you will know what your mates car is like condition wise.

http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item...d=282076262133

http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item...d=112034259887

The white one obviously doesn't have a YB.

I'd imagine upto £15k isn't too unrealistic in todays market.

jamie956

Because straight 3 doors are mental money and driving it up the road who would ever know its true history its a half price 3 door, if it didn't have the cosworth id on it then yer parts value only.

How many cosworths out there are straight you have no clue whats happened to any of them over the last 30 years.

Cos500

Why is it a breaker? Oh the shell doesn't have some numbers in it but is an identical piece of metal, only thing that matters is the engine, the rest is shit 8o's ford.
At least half the cossies left have probably been reshelled at some point or broken, built back up etc, anybody goes out and shells 30k or so to have a number stamped in a floor needs locking up and their head looking at.
If it's the right money for you go get it bought, unless you plan to carry the v5 and show everyone nobody will know or care.

Rs(555)

iTrader: (8)

Internet is full of opinions !
Not many of them very good 🙈

The Youth.

iTrader: (1)

Because that would be the best way to maximise the value of the car, as it stands it isn't a Cosworth in any way so its value is in its parts


Steve

goodison1972

I agree with this, lots of cars out there have virtually been rebuilt from the spare parts bin. if it makes you happy and its not bought as an "investment" then i see it being worth £10k + all day.

james kiely

iTrader: (5)

I would rather spend 10k on a saff or rs turbo

Adam-M

Well said, cosworth only made the engine. People who buy one never to use them and just hope to make a profit are crazy.

In reality if it's well done and had a sunroof who would know?

goodison1972

also makes sense James, I had a budget which would stretch to a Saph at a push or get me a mint S2 - i got a mint S2 instead... like i said, do what makes you happy!

botters

iTrader: (2)

id happily own it just to use and abuse like they should be

slammedorion

Put a sunroof in it, fresh paint and advertise it for £30k

BigChuck

It's a brave guy that knowingly pays £15k for a ringer, knowing your one ID check away from losing your car.

tony66

iTrader: (7)

having been around fords scince i was a wee laddie[a long long time ago lol] i suspect if a lot of fords,cossies,rs anything,mexicos,etc were put under intense scrutiny a lot would not be what they seem..

irishescorts

Thanks for all the opinions.

A 3 door Cossie is a bucket list car for me. This car is available at far less than anyone here has estimated and it's my only chance of ever having one or anything close. I won't have £30k to blow on a car any time soon and when I do, Cossies will be £50k

All I feared was that it would be totally unmarketable, whether it had the Cosworth ID or not. I'm not looking to make money I just want to own a 3 door and if it doesn't suit me, be able to sell it.

James Porter

iTrader: (1)

Thought it was only a ringer if you didn't use over/around 60% of the original parts from the car which the ID came from?

Cos500

You'll always be able to sell it as there will always be someone in your position wanting one, or failing that you can sell it in parts for probably more, go buy it and have some fun.

R4N SS

iTrader: (6)

Its a ringer end of mate.

I would leave it on its original ID and out a dateless plate on it - thats what ive done with mine.

As for the sunroof - the shells are stronger without so a better option in my view.

I dont give a crap about what is says on the logbook as long as it looks and goes like the real deal and keeps a smile on my face

irishescorts

It's in Ireland so the plate is '87 either way as some how the shell was 1987 registered too!

R4N SS

iTrader: (6)

in that case just leave it as is on the shell's original plate

PAUL S

iTrader: (8)

Value it at the sum of its parts and keep the original non cosworth ID to use it on the road.

Its a £7 to £10k car these days if the parts and interior etc are good.

BigChuck

I wouldn't disagree with that, there are a lot of dodgy cars out there.

The car needs the shells original Id on it and sell it as a rep. If it drives and looks right there's definitely a market for it

mk1turboestate

iTrader: (2)

I would buy it for the correct money, get it bought!

The Youth.

iTrader: (1)

Thank god someone speaks sense and agrees with me!!


Steve

visa_broke

if its what you want just go for it, sounds like you can get it at a good price and from what the parts are selling for I doubt you will ever lose out. Just get it and enjoy it and tick it off your bucket list.

chip RS

Life's too short buddy,get it bought put a cos private plate on it ..
Job jobbed

I'll put a weeks wages on youl get your money back if you ever come to sell it too

Mad_Mat

Exactly what he said.
Value based on condition and parts. If it was tip top 7-10k is bang on imo.

jamie956

There's a rep on ebay with no Cosworth ID with a v6 Cosworth engine doing over 6K and another one just gone on with out a Cosworth ID but with a YB doing nearly 8k already.

So this one just re shelled still with a Cosworth ID will make way more than 10k.

Adam-M

I posted the links to these two cars already, that's why I disagree on the op's being only worth 6-7k.

jamie956

Yep i recon the black one will do well over 10k and it dose'nt even look that nice one on a cosworth ID will do 13-15k easy, cover it in shit call it a barn find and put it in kings lynn auction and it will do twice that.

PAUL S

iTrader: (8)

Its Cosworth ID is not legit though, no way will anyone pay genuine money for such a car. Ebay is not the place to value cars, usually being bid up and back on again the following week