wrcjim

hi
does any one have any photos or info on an escort cosworth grpa car reg number L20 MTD. i am currantly restoring one at the mo, i have had the car bare mettled and found the original chassi number-the cars believed to be ex works. any info wud be great thanks.

mk2rstaff

have you tried too google it mate??

wrcjim

yeh,not having alot of luck

cozzfather

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L20MTD wasn't ex works Boreham,it was MTD Mike Taylor Developments who did build at some point cars for drivers with Ford backing.
they built some very well known cars though and L20MTD was a white group a version in lhd.

i do have pics of it and iirc its Jim Harrison driving it on the Irish Tarmac Championship and a couple of other pics.
do you own L20 ?? i dunno if this is the same Mike Taylor who did world championship rallying and the british championship too.

MIKE TAYLOR DEVELOPMENTS LTD
Car Accessories and Parts
Standard Way Industrial Estate
Northallerton
North Yorkshire
DL6 2XE

cheeRS

wrcjim

hi there,thanks for info, my friend currently owns the car,(driver) i co-drive for him and look after the car. wud the shell be supplied by boreham? the front screen apeture has been cut back for rubber fit screen and the panels are a thinner gauge steel? wud it be possible for you to send me sum pics,

cheers jim

The Youth.

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mike taylor developments closed down about 9/10 years ago I was at the auction when all his bits went, got some good bargains that day!

mike went to live in france and set up an equstrian centre there

steve

cozzfather

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mtd were no different from mlp or red they all got stuff from boreham and built up cars into rally winners. you probably would find they did use stuff from salvaged cars as loads of them did back then as there was mint parts about on damaged cars.
i know a couple of lads who sometimes worked on mtd cars.
my mate had some very sexy mike taylor developments motordrive kevlar rally seats he bought of adrian farrell who owned welsh area rally spares. they were 800 quids worth new and came out of a works spec 3dr rally car,MTD used Motordrive seats with MTD written in the headrests, if your restoring the car please contact Alan Whitikar as he can tell you more about MTD and sell you the correct seats the would of used when new.

http://www.motordrive.com/acatalog/catalogbody.html

i'll find the pics and whack them up.

cheeRS Karl

wrcjim

cheers karl,that wud be great. we found that the car was built in 1993 and regeesterd abroad, then regesterd in the uk in 1994 with L20 MTD. Do you know when the photos were taken-year?
thanks for time
jim

J1mbo

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nice work as usual karl

cozzfather

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right then

the car was used by Kurt Gottlicher in the european championship,it was sponsored by Excalibur the energy drink http://www.40ouncebeer.com/energydrinks/excalibur.html

here is a pic of Kurt who is Austrian and the fastest Postman in Austria



now i have a website you should look at because the car is on it with the actual pics of the car frallying on the manx international in 1996.
kurt rallied K748G00 which was a proper ex works car before L20MTD.

Heres the link and i hope you buy some pics

http://www.rallyretro.com/searchresu...mageField2.y=9

i'd love to know how much you paid and what parts are fitted to the car if complete because i know how much the car L20MTD competed against is for sale at the moment that won the european rally championship and tbh i sometimes want to get rid of my car and buy a ex works escort cosworth or a ras escort cosworth

cheeRS Karl

cozzfather

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i should point out that in 1996 Kurt Gottlicher driving the Mike Taylor Developments Excalibur Group a Escort Cosworth came runner up in the European Championship.

- European Rally Championship - Hebros Rally (Bulgaria) with Kurt Göttlicher
(Ford Escort RS Cosworth): 2nd Overall

so there you go its a very well known car and if it doesn't go back to half red and white your not doing the car and its history and pedigree justice.
that is unless your still going to rally it and all that stuff goes out the window.
ta.

cozzfather

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FIA European Rally Championship 1996

Rallies

RoundRally (Coefficient)FromTo
1Arctic Rally (5)26 January27 January
2Rally Finnskog Norway (10)22 February24 February
4Rallye El Corte Inglés (20)22 March23 March
6Rally 1000 Miglia (10)29 March30 March 10
Rally Piancavallo (20)25 April27 April 12
Rally Zlatni Piassatzi (20)11 May12 May 13
South Swedish Rally (5)16 May18 May 16
Rajd Polski (20)6 June8 June 18
Rallye Rota do Sol (10)8 June9 June 19
Croatia Delta Rally (10)13 June16 June 20
Rally del Salento (5)15 June16 June 21
Hebros Rally (10)22 June23 June 22
24 Heures d'Ypres (20)28 June30 June 27
AvD/STH-Hunsrück-Rallye (10)18 July20 July 29
Rally of Turkey (5)25 July27 July 30
Rali Vinho da Madeira (20)2 August3 August 34
ADAC Rallye Deutschland (20)15 August17 August 35
Elpa Rally Halkidiki (20)31 August1 September 36
Rallye Mont-Blanc - Morzine (10)6 September7 September 38
Manx International Rally (20)12 September14 September 42
Cyprus Rally (20)27 September29 September 45
Rallye d'Antibes - Rallye d'Azur (20)25 October27 October 47
Rally di San Marino (10)1 November2 November 51
Golden Tulip Rally (5)8 November9 November

</H1>1996 FIA European Rally Championship for Drivers
Final classification

PosDriverNationPoints410121622303435384245
Other1Armin Schwarz Ger1980 - - - - 300- 240- 4004002404002
Kurt Göttlicher Aut1290 60- 240120- - - 240240- 403503
Enrico Bertone Ita1020 240300400- - 80- - - - - - 4
Dieter Depping Ger890 - - - 300- - 400- - - - 1905
François Delecour Fra874 300- - - - - - - - - 4001746
Franco Cunico Ita700 - 400- - - - - - - - - 3007
Krzysztof Hołowczyc Pol690 80- - 400- - - - - - - 2108
Yves Loubet Fra655 40- 300240- - - - - - - 759
Fernando Peres Por600 - - - - - 400- - - - - 20010
Philippe Bugalski Fra520 - - - - - - - - - - 300220
Go to the FIA European Rally Championship 1996

so there you have it................................

L20MTD has been on more working holidays than Judith Fuckin Chalmers

beating also some very well known cars built by the likes of Malcolm Wilson who built Franco Cunicos Martini sponsored Escort Cosworth Group A car

CheeRS Karl

wrcjim

cozzfather-your legend, we bought the car as a rolling shell with an wrc engine and full wide track.came with light weight loom etc. now the bad bit!!!!! the car has been converted to rhd very poorly ive fitted a complete new bulkhead and replaced the front cage.sum one had fitted an ffd sequensal and hacked the transmission tunnel.over the years the floors have corroions and has nasty repairs-out with old and in with new. while doing this we found the chassi number in the floor relating to L20++. we bought the car onreg no- cdz 137 mike reed who did alot of btrda. he wrote off his escort and shelled it into L20. we got the car of a rally breakers which he bought the car for 28000 then sold off the ffd box front and rear diffs + dampers. my mate bought the rest.

cozzfather

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so have you got the docs to put the car on l20 ??

i'd fuck the irish plate off as thats not worth putting on such a well proven car as yours.

wrcjim

in the process of sorting the paper work.al let ya no how we get on.thanks for ya helpcheeRS jim

-beefy-

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karl , your a fucking font of knowldge mate

hats off to you ,

it wouldnt surprise me if you dont know the first place the day and time that malcom wilson got his willy wet with his wife

c u at ford fair no doubt !!

beef

CRAIG HAYTER

if anyone knows there rallying word on here its defo Karl


Karl you must study these cars night and fooking day

have you got anymore rally escos vids?if so can you send me a few watched the last one and fooking loved it

cozzfather

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i'll drag some more out and stick them on ersc.com Craig matey

heres a pic with Mike Taylor behind the car next to the MTD Rally Barge



its in Poland on the Raid Polski International Rally

cozzfather

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heres the manx international video from 1996, theres a interview with Kurt Gottlicher in there and good shots of the car.....

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?...ional&hl=en-GB

CRAIG HAYTER

Thanks Karl got my floor doneyou will see on the resto

wrcjim

hi there
great pic karl,do you have many more pics of the car? been busy with the sander-featherd back the paint work to find its true colours
any more photos/history would be fantastic.
great work fella cheeRS

GrzegorzChyla

Here is my photo of L20 MTD

Cracow Rally (Rajd Krakowski 1995), Pawel Przybylski - Krzysztof Geborys.

I have more photos of this car during its numerous appereances in Poland in 1990s - I will try to scan some of them, but... I have about a 1000 negatives to scan and it takes ages...

AFAIR this car after Kurt did a season or two in Polish Rally Championship.
The above is Pawel Przybylski, Rafineria Czechowice livery.
Also Krzysztof Holowczyc drove this car at last once, in Stomil Olsztyn livery.
Then after Przybylski's money were over, this car was rent by Adam Magaczewski.
Contrary to Przybylski and Holowczyc, Magaczewski was not a driver... Enough to say that I remember one rally (Wisla 1995) when on wet Magaczewski was at the end of top ten... I met poor Mike Taylor there, he looked he wanted to leave immediately... On wet this A-group car was beaten by gp. N Escort Cosworth of Cezary Fuchs.

Grzegorz Chyla
www.rajdpolski.prv.pl

COLEYST200

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put some photo up of the car now wrcjim so we can all see how it looks now

Glenn_

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CozzFather is the man.You know your stuff mate.

wrcjim

will do i'll got a few photos together, cars currantly sat with no floors in at the mo!!! had a bit of knock back with ID of the car, karl found a photo of the car on the snowman rally this year owned by gorden smith in aberdeen, more than 1 shell with same chassi number

wrcjim

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GrzegorzChyla

is it RHD???
The L20MTD i saw in Poland (Goettlicher, Przybylski) was LHD

cozzfather

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nice one Jim.

looks like its RHD to me now Grzegorz,i have seen loads of group a cars converted from left hand drive to rhd because the driver does not like lhd.
me i wouldn't want a rhd cosworth lol.


Jim will you venture accross the country and do this rally http://www.wallaseymc.com/index.php?...tid=29:general

plenty of time to get it all finished and shook down.

wrcjim

yeh the car is now rhd, on the 4th picture without the upper bulkhead you can still see the brake cylinder holes on the left hand side.we kept that in too keep some of the lhd identification. mike reed the owner before us converted the shell to rhd.we put another bulkhead in becouse it was a very poor job. unforeunetly we couldnt find a lhd bulkhead.

wrcjim

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hanna montana

that car is not l20 mtd.

i missed your post above your picture,gorden smith has owner L20 for years.
its lhd,ex mike taylor.

that windscreen looks familiar mind.

dc03

Which car is not l20 mtd?

hanna montana

the white one being built in the pictures.

carlos1395

if you need any info about the car mate let me know .i work with one of the directors of mtd in our rally department .it did close its doors 10 years ago but the name still registered as the building is rented out .

costech

I see that you are mounting an mpc active diff system, were did you get hold of it?
i´m looking for one and they seems hard to find.
Reg j

CRAIG HAYTER

told you Karl is THE MAIN MAN

hanna montana

but did not realize on post one that the car was not L20MTD.

heres one for you all, wheres M20MTD then?

wrcjim

the shell you see is 1 of 4 shells.
1st shell 1994 aircom livery
2nd 1995/96 przybylski/gottlicher
3rd 1996 gottlicher(manx rally car has only 1 diagnal)
4th shell current 1 owned by gorden smith.
mike talyor was a busy man lol

the shel was bought of hugh hunter bout 2001 by mike reed the car was a lhd drive red body shell he converted the car to rhd painted it white. my mate bought the car not knowing anythin bout it.we had the car shot blasted an this revealed the chassi number in the floor pan. m20 mtd is on a mercedes clk.cheers jim

cozzfather

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don't start fucking moaning

is Afgahnistan who i think it is too lol ????????????????

been hiding with the rest of the bandidos in a hole on the side of a mountain !!!!!!!!!!!!!!



the car got painted for Hugh in my mates garage Phil Jones Motorsport Bodywork in Ellesmere Port Cheshire and Gerbil helped build it up.

Phil's done bodywork on all hugh's group a cars and wrc cars and still recently stuff for R-E-D.
i remember seeing the Escort after it was shotblasted and thinking it may of been a R-E-D Snijers Shell as he painted them too,Hugh got rid of Colin McRaes/Russell Brooks's Group A R-E-D Sierra 4x4 Cosworth for that car and Phil bought the Sierra off Hugh.
heres a pic of the car Hugh got rid of to get the one were talking about



was painted yellow when Hugh ran it,i had the pleasure of helping Phil graft on it and my mate Paul spent many hours straightening Hugh's offs.

anyone who thinks a group a escort run by a proffesional rally team with a huge sponsor and had only one shell doing a important championship has been sniffing glue to long.

i can't say exactly who did this but on one rally i saw a escort cosworth group a on the trailer of a rally barge and next to it was a escort cosworth road car with the same reg. some lads into rallying have some neck

hanna montana

alright karl.

just to clarify, hugh baught it in 2005.

i see the crack in the windscreen is still there also.