Twin plate clutch benefits over a single plate
22-12-2006, 03:17 PM
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They are heavier.
But if you got a hydraulic clutch then a twin or even tripple plate is no worse than a single plate on a cable clutch.
Trust me.
Really wouldnt like to try a multi plate on a cable clutch tho...
But if you got a hydraulic clutch then a twin or even tripple plate is no worse than a single plate on a cable clutch.
Trust me.
Really wouldnt like to try a multi plate on a cable clutch tho...
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22-12-2006, 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by dojj
why aren't they fit for normal road use then?
do they wearout 3 times as fast then?
do they wearout 3 times as fast then?
But the bigger the power handling of a clutch, the harsher it is to use.
I think Cossies must have big diameter clutches compared to many 4/6cyl engines, as single plate cossie ones seem to be fine even at 500bhp or so, and I cant think of many others barring big V8s etc with huge flywheels when thats the case.
Ive driven loads of twin and tripple plate clutches on cars with hydraulic clutches, and they fine IMO, they as bad as the worst single plate clutch youve ever used on a cable clutch car like a Cossie.
Ie they really hard to drive smoothly and in traffic etc, but perfectly fine for all but total pussies.
Id dread to think what theyd be like on a cable change setup tho, as that makes the world of difference. An uprated single plate that makes Cossies etc harsh to drive you cant even feel when you got a hydraulic clutch.
22-12-2006, 06:38 PM
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Multi plate clutches tend to be used when the rotating mass reduction means you have too small a friction surface , i.e small fly wheel , small clutch , so add plates on top ! The stack height of the plates and shims also means you have very little clutch travel - so shit in traffic situations !
I use an AP triple plate clutch on my car and its great off the line , once youve started lifting your foot tho your off ! In dog engagement and sequential situations where you make clutchless gearchanges after your pull away then it really doesn't matter . Most of the 5.5" triple plate carbon clutches i deal with have a full extension from "on" to "off" of only 4mm , making the accuracy of a hydraulic situation essential . These are over £3k new and fully rebuildable .
I use an AP triple plate clutch on my car and its great off the line , once youve started lifting your foot tho your off ! In dog engagement and sequential situations where you make clutchless gearchanges after your pull away then it really doesn't matter . Most of the 5.5" triple plate carbon clutches i deal with have a full extension from "on" to "off" of only 4mm , making the accuracy of a hydraulic situation essential . These are over £3k new and fully rebuildable .
22-12-2006, 09:12 PM
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ok, i understand about how they can make stuff better now 
thanks chaps (especial stav for removing his clutch from his car to take the pics 
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but now we seem to have a bit of confusion as to how they drive
with only 4mm of movement it's going to be on/off but how can you have a hydraulic system that works it better?
a massive slave clyinder with a titchy master?
thanks chaps
(especial stav for removing his clutch from his car to take the pics )but now we seem to have a bit of confusion as to how they drive
with only 4mm of movement it's going to be on/off but how can you have a hydraulic system that works it better?
a massive slave clyinder with a titchy master?
22-12-2006, 09:17 PM
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I had an OS GIken tripple plate one on my Skyline, and that was horrid for road use. I am sure it would have been fine for track use, though.
22-12-2006, 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by dojj
but now we seem to have a bit of confusion as to how they drive
with only 4mm of movement it's going to be on/off but how can you have a hydraulic system that works it better?
a massive slave clyinder with a titchy master?
with only 4mm of movement it's going to be on/off but how can you have a hydraulic system that works it better?
a massive slave clyinder with a titchy master?
22-12-2006, 10:19 PM
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i know you do the kit martin, but i'm just trying to work out why/how you would be able to keep a full range of pedal and still only have minumal amounts of movement at the other end
i can see how it works on a cable, you press the pedal by x amount and,depending on which colour quadrant you use, the other end moves by y amount
even though these are simple things to understand for most people here, you have me at a disadvantage when it comes to knowing stuff baout cars
i would like to know why they work in the way they do with hydraulics as opposed to cable, and possibly how
i can see how it works on a cable, you press the pedal by x amount and,depending on which colour quadrant you use, the other end moves by y amount
even though these are simple things to understand for most people here, you have me at a disadvantage when it comes to knowing stuff baout cars
i would like to know why they work in the way they do with hydraulics as opposed to cable, and possibly how
22-12-2006, 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by dojj
i would like to know why they work in the way they do with hydraulics as opposed to cable, and possibly how
22-12-2006, 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by martin-reyland
Originally Posted by dojj
i would like to know why they work in the way they do with hydraulics as opposed to cable, and possibly how
Ive got one of Martins kits cant wait to be able to use it
23-12-2006, 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by martin-reyland
Originally Posted by dojj
i would like to know why they work in the way they do with hydraulics as opposed to cable, and possibly how
if you know how it works then i'm sure i'll trust your judgement
i probably won't be able to afford to get it done, but i shall keep it in mind as i think i may have some clutch issues in the near future with the 24V
i'm assuming it would be a standard fit to the sierra running an mt75 box? and i woulnd't have to have the super mega skyline os box yes?
23-12-2006, 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by dojj
Originally Posted by martin-reyland
Originally Posted by dojj
i would like to know why they work in the way they do with hydraulics as opposed to cable, and possibly how
if you know how it works then i'm sure i'll trust your judgement
i probably won't be able to afford to get it done, but i shall keep it in mind as i think i may have some clutch issues in the near future with the 24V
i'm assuming it would be a standard fit to the sierra running an mt75 box? and i woulnd't have to have the super mega skyline os box yes?
23-12-2006, 10:47 PM
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i'll start saving my pennies then i think i have a few hundred in the pot
i'll wait till i've got a few more before asking for the prices and times to get them fitted, don't really wan to say "here's £20 can i have one please" if they are lots more
must remember to relabel pot to "clutch fund"
i think i have a few hundred in the poti'll wait till i've got a few more before asking for the prices and times to get them fitted, don't really wan to say "here's £20 can i have one please" if they are lots more
must remember to relabel pot to "clutch fund"
23-12-2006, 11:03 PM
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Organic plates are cool to drive with, cerametallics can be a little "on/off" - but carbon plates are lovely to drive with...
800bhp+ evo on a twin carbon carbon clutch felt as easy to use as a standard clutch when moving around the workshop and parking up
800bhp+ evo on a twin carbon carbon clutch felt as easy to use as a standard clutch when moving around the workshop and parking up
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