Motorsport Escort Cosworth
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Motorsport Escort Cosworth
Its seems the is this Escort Cosworth a motorsport shell questions seems to come up weekly at the moment. I think we should put our heads together and try and work out exactly where these people stand. I gathered a small amount of info to try and solve this issue.
First up the price guide:-
This states there are four choices of Cosworth:- Motorsport, Standard, Luxury Cloth and Luxury Leather. It also says the metalic and black are options but only availible for the Standard and Luxury models.
The brochure:-
This states that the Motorsport version is only availible in diamond white. So I think you can safely say if you motorsport shell isn't white is was either resprayed or built up from a 909 motorsport supplied shell.
The dealer supplied motorsport's didn't have recaros.. this is a motorsport seat made by Karman:-
It looks like a Recaro but isn't badged as so and doesn't have the same shape as this real Recaro:-
Along with no sunroof a motorsport also doesn't have rear opening windows, front fog lights (lucky gits had RS500 grills
) it had wind up windows, manual locking, non-body colour wing mirrors and a whole host of other interior mod cons missing according to the listing above.
Now where I think the problem seems to be with owners questions are the fact they may have some of the lux item's such as rear opening windows and body coloured wing mirrors but lets be honest these aren't exactly hard items to find or fit so many have gained these parts over the years which is probably why all these questions come about.
So what if you have a motorsport Escort Cosworth?
Well to be honest if it was factory built and dealer supplied I can't see the problem in terms of value and its every bit as original as a Lux. obviously it won't be worth as much as a Lux but thats because its not as well equipped and your only limited to white. The issue is more whether it was a 909 shell built up from parts by someone outside the Ford Factory.
So the voice of concern will genually come from the fact it doesn't have a sunroof, as this can't be added afterwards and if it doesn't have a sunroof it becomes a bit of a mine field it could have either been ford built or a private build up. I think the concerns of whether its a private build up using a 909 motorsport shell is because A; it wasn't built in the ford factory and there for the quailty of the build up would depend on the individual who did it. B; it was cheaper and easier to build them up using Saphire 4x4 running gear. C; They could be lower spec possibly with parts missing. D; it may even have been 'used' shell and possibly weaker from racing/rallying. E; it may be a left hand drive converted shell.
Now this is where I need the help and peoples inputs, the only way's I can think that will distinguish a 909 shell would be chasis numbers and the fact that 909 shells where supplied minus seam sealant and under seal as for motorsport purposes this makes them lighter and easier to seam weld a bare shell, its also for this reason that a bare shell would be very easy to change the colour off and look very factory.
The only other tell tell signs for concern I can think off is a mix and match of Escort Cosworth parts from different specs for example if it has large turbo parts on a small turbo shell or small turbo parts on a large turbo shell ie:- having a large turbo engine on a N or P-reg shell with tear drop wings mirros and a fuel flap... or the earlier wing mirrors and no fuel flap but a small turbo engine etc
In most cases a few pictures to a geek like me can tell whats original and whats not in terms of age related parts.
I know that all this was different for the LHD market and quite a few where made without sunroofs abroad but I'm only concentrating on the UK market using a UK brochure and price quide (which applies to the Large Turbo)
Please feel free to correct me on any points and add any comments or addional information especially regarding the chasis numbers.
Hope this helps someone
First up the price guide:-
This states there are four choices of Cosworth:- Motorsport, Standard, Luxury Cloth and Luxury Leather. It also says the metalic and black are options but only availible for the Standard and Luxury models.
The brochure:-
This states that the Motorsport version is only availible in diamond white. So I think you can safely say if you motorsport shell isn't white is was either resprayed or built up from a 909 motorsport supplied shell.
The dealer supplied motorsport's didn't have recaros.. this is a motorsport seat made by Karman:-
It looks like a Recaro but isn't badged as so and doesn't have the same shape as this real Recaro:-
Along with no sunroof a motorsport also doesn't have rear opening windows, front fog lights (lucky gits had RS500 grills
) it had wind up windows, manual locking, non-body colour wing mirrors and a whole host of other interior mod cons missing according to the listing above.Now where I think the problem seems to be with owners questions are the fact they may have some of the lux item's such as rear opening windows and body coloured wing mirrors but lets be honest these aren't exactly hard items to find or fit so many have gained these parts over the years which is probably why all these questions come about.
So what if you have a motorsport Escort Cosworth?
Well to be honest if it was factory built and dealer supplied I can't see the problem in terms of value and its every bit as original as a Lux. obviously it won't be worth as much as a Lux but thats because its not as well equipped and your only limited to white. The issue is more whether it was a 909 shell built up from parts by someone outside the Ford Factory.
So the voice of concern will genually come from the fact it doesn't have a sunroof, as this can't be added afterwards and if it doesn't have a sunroof it becomes a bit of a mine field it could have either been ford built or a private build up. I think the concerns of whether its a private build up using a 909 motorsport shell is because A; it wasn't built in the ford factory and there for the quailty of the build up would depend on the individual who did it. B; it was cheaper and easier to build them up using Saphire 4x4 running gear. C; They could be lower spec possibly with parts missing. D; it may even have been 'used' shell and possibly weaker from racing/rallying. E; it may be a left hand drive converted shell.
Now this is where I need the help and peoples inputs, the only way's I can think that will distinguish a 909 shell would be chasis numbers and the fact that 909 shells where supplied minus seam sealant and under seal as for motorsport purposes this makes them lighter and easier to seam weld a bare shell, its also for this reason that a bare shell would be very easy to change the colour off and look very factory.
The only other tell tell signs for concern I can think off is a mix and match of Escort Cosworth parts from different specs for example if it has large turbo parts on a small turbo shell or small turbo parts on a large turbo shell ie:- having a large turbo engine on a N or P-reg shell with tear drop wings mirros and a fuel flap... or the earlier wing mirrors and no fuel flap but a small turbo engine etc
In most cases a few pictures to a geek like me can tell whats original and whats not in terms of age related parts.
I know that all this was different for the LHD market and quite a few where made without sunroofs abroad but I'm only concentrating on the UK market using a UK brochure and price quide (which applies to the Large Turbo)
Please feel free to correct me on any points and add any comments or addional information especially regarding the chasis numbers.
Hope this helps someone
16-02-2006, 06:40 AM
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think you have it covered paul easiest way to tell is look under the bonnet,homemade ones normally have all sorts of bits/pieces missing,clips and brackets etc, use a mismatch of engine parts from various models etc,but if you dont know what to look for or are new to the scene then it can be a nightmare! only problem is proving who actually built them in the first place, was it some rallying company or someone in thier shed? ive seen some very poorly built examples,as far as i know the factory versions were only available in white as you say
easiest way to tell is look under the bonnet,homemade ones normally have all sorts of bits/pieces missing,clips and brackets etc, use a mismatch of engine parts from various models etc,but if you dont know what to look for or are new to the scene then it can be a nightmare! only problem is proving who actually built them in the first place, was it some rallying company or someone in thier shed? ive seen some very poorly built examples,as far as i know the factory versions were only available in white as you say
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Aye I would agree with all that... but please remove that pic of the "sport" seat.. thay are hideous and I find it offensive 
I have a number (perhaps 3 or 4) of those price lists relating to different years... What date is printed on the back of yours Paul?? perhaps they changed available specs later on? Adding the option of "coloured" paint to the M/Sport...??? ???
I have a number (perhaps 3 or 4) of those price lists relating to different years... What date is printed on the back of yours Paul?? perhaps they changed available specs later on? Adding the option of "coloured" paint to the M/Sport...??? ???
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Got this from Karmanss histroical department a few months ago:
Karmann supplied 937 body shells cathodic
dip painted or final coated.
1992 225
1993 369
1994 110
1995 109
1996 124
But these should probably have the extra Motorsport plate.
Continental Europe:
Perhaps it was only in the UK that the Motorsport version was available in diamond white only. I have here in front of me a german price list dated 030632, and you can have your Motorsport version in any of the usual colors at an extra cost.
Radiant Red 190DM, all other Metallic colours are 560DM
Karmann supplied 937 body shells cathodic
dip painted or final coated.
1992 225
1993 369
1994 110
1995 109
1996 124
But these should probably have the extra Motorsport plate.
Continental Europe:
Perhaps it was only in the UK that the Motorsport version was available in diamond white only. I have here in front of me a german price list dated 030632, and you can have your Motorsport version in any of the usual colors at an extra cost.
Radiant Red 190DM, all other Metallic colours are 560DM
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Actually reading that again...
The STANDARD model, IS basically a motorsport item, though is probably fully trimmed and has seam sealant and underbody stone chip ....
The std model has NO sunroof NO electrics NO opening rear windows NO recaro's and is available in ALL colours...
Basically the only real way to confirm which is which is to give the VIN to Ford (or input into microcat) and that will tell you if it was a white M/Sport or a "standard" model... Built up M/sport shells should have a non ford VIN
The STANDARD model, IS basically a motorsport item, though is probably fully trimmed and has seam sealant and underbody stone chip ....
The std model has NO sunroof NO electrics NO opening rear windows NO recaro's and is available in ALL colours...
Basically the only real way to confirm which is which is to give the VIN to Ford (or input into microcat) and that will tell you if it was a white M/Sport or a "standard" model... Built up M/sport shells should have a non ford VIN
16-02-2006, 12:36 PM
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Damo I think your spot on there as i've never seen or heard of a standard Escort Cosworth maybe the only difference is actually the colour If it was dealer supplied in white it was a 'Motorsport' any other colour is was a 'Standard'
If it was dealer supplied in white it was a 'Motorsport' any other colour is was a 'Standard'
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No thrills cossie Bit of a jip thou seeing as the Motorsport was the same price as the Standard 
So bacially what we have discovered is that the lack of sunroof is only half the story in regards to what is a Motorsport is but we can confirm that dealer supplied motorsport was white only. Must be pretty rare finding one as per factory now.. I wonder how many people have sold them on cheap thinking they where build up's
I guess the only true way of finding out will be the Chassis/vin number but at least we are a lot more clued up now
Bit of a jip thou seeing as the Motorsport was the same price as the Standard So bacially what we have discovered is that the lack of sunroof is only half the story in regards to what is a Motorsport is but we can confirm that dealer supplied motorsport was white only. Must be pretty rare finding one as per factory now.. I wonder how many people have sold them on cheap thinking they where build up's
I guess the only true way of finding out will be the Chassis/vin number but at least we are a lot more clued up now
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Originally Posted by Paul Ripley
NoMotorsport is but we can confirm that dealer supplied motorsport was white only. Must be pretty rare finding one as per factory now..
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I know that this thread was meant for UK cars, so if you want to i can delete it.
Differences between german Standard/Motorsport
Foglights - Standard
Headlight washers - Standard
Colored wing mirrors - Standard
Colored petrol cap - Standard
Warning lights, fuel, washers - Standard
Interior light, delay - Standard
Lights on buzzer - Standard
Central lockin - Standard
Center consol - Standard
Make up mirror - Standard
Recaro seats - Motorsport
Boot release - Standard
Boot interior light - Standard
Spare wheel cover - Standard
Differences between german Standard/Motorsport
Foglights - Standard
Headlight washers - Standard
Colored wing mirrors - Standard
Colored petrol cap - Standard
Warning lights, fuel, washers - Standard
Interior light, delay - Standard
Lights on buzzer - Standard
Central lockin - Standard
Center consol - Standard
Make up mirror - Standard
Recaro seats - Motorsport
Boot release - Standard
Boot interior light - Standard
Spare wheel cover - Standard
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Don't forget the Motorsport model was basically designed to be ripped apart to be converted into a pukka rally car - hence Ford made this easier by leaving off most of the useless (to rallyers) extra creature comforts.
14-04-2006, 09:01 AM
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i have seen two types of motorsport cosworth shell,trimmed with no engine and running gear,and also factory primer with bonnet boot and doors
i am sure i have seen on the slam panel a tag saying motorsport and gruppe a next to it,it was obviously a group a car but i never looked at the group n ones
i am sure i have seen on the slam panel a tag saying motorsport and gruppe a next to it,it was obviously a group a car but i never looked at the group n ones
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ok question for you, my car was built in 1999 by a guy who worked for andy rouse at the time, the shell was supplied by ford as a "spare" that they hadnt sold from 1993. the shell was in there museum at daventry and they offerered to andy as they didnt want it any more. the shell itsself does not have even 1 identifying mark. it was made of 100% age related parts with all the reciepts which total just over 26K with out the purchass of the shell. and it has been magazine featured twice. the car now is quite modified but im looking at putting it back to standard and selling it as it has just covered 27k miles. where wuld i stand with it regards to value and the desireability for enthusiasts. any help would be great. oh and the shell was sold as a motorsport shell but sold in ford black! cheers for your advice guys 
oh and one last thing because the car was built using avo coilovers instead ofstandard suspension dvla wont supply a age related reg so its on a Q plate
oh and one last thing because the car was built using avo coilovers instead ofstandard suspension dvla wont supply a age related reg so its on a Q plate
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ok and what about in the moded state? which consists of things like the 18s avo fully adjustable coilovers, group a rear beam 378mm ap 6 pots up front and 330 rears engine running 454bhp 460ft lbs, on 8 greens and t4 usual safe spec engine full leather interior secs monitor p8 8 injector ecu strut braces front and rear all reciepts for 100%ford parts through out build apart from the obviously modded bits and i cant think of what else might be worth mentioning and as i said its been featured in its current spec in redline and performance ford also. quaife straight cut box and diffs with group a drive shafts. anything else?it has all the mots 2 ring binders of history and i really cant think of anything else that might be worth mentioning unless you can? cheers
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right ok shed some light on to this for me fellas! b4 u all so it i knew b4 it wasnt a ex wrc car!sorry! 
right on log book
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escort
3dr saloon
date:8/01/93
reg:k9cfm
colour blue (actualy white)
vin/chassis: SFABXXBZABPZ29324
engine no. MTC147
tax class PLG
last owner was a garage in cockermouth where ever that is!
only got car as shell but has all listed above i.e no S.roof no pop out rear quarter windows no elec.windows elec.boot relase etc any help will be cool sorry bout spelling if any.
right on log bookford
escort
3dr saloon
date:8/01/93
reg:k9cfm
colour blue (actualy white)
vin/chassis: SFABXXBZABPZ29324
engine no. MTC147
tax class PLG
last owner was a garage in cockermouth where ever that is!
only got car as shell but has all listed above i.e no S.roof no pop out rear quarter windows no elec.windows elec.boot relase etc any help will be cool sorry bout spelling if any.
20-04-2006, 08:54 AM
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Cockermouth is a hotbed of motorsport ,as a certain Malcolm Wilson is from the place,he is better known as the team boss of M SPORT the team that run the WRC cars for FORD. back in the day he won the british championship in suprise suprise a escort cosworth,may be somthing to do with them,before they were M SPORT they were known as MWM.
or could be a local garage that did abit,was it rallyed before you got it?
oh and Cockermouth is in Cumbria
or could be a local garage that did abit,was it rallyed before you got it?
oh and Cockermouth is in Cumbria
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Re: motorsport
Originally Posted by wrcescort
right ok shed some light on to this for me fellas! b4 u all so it i knew b4 it wasnt a ex wrc car!sorry! right on log book
ford
escort
3dr saloon
date:8/01/93
reg:k9cfm
colour blue (actualy white)
vin/chassis: SFABXXBZABPZ29324
engine no. MTC147
tax class PLG
last owner was a garage in cockermouth where ever that is!
only got car as shell but has all listed above i.e no S.roof no pop out rear quarter windows no elec.windows elec.boot relase etc any help will be cool sorry bout spelling if any.
right on log bookford
escort
3dr saloon
date:8/01/93
reg:k9cfm
colour blue (actualy white)
vin/chassis: SFABXXBZABPZ29324
engine no. MTC147
tax class PLG
last owner was a garage in cockermouth where ever that is!
only got car as shell but has all listed above i.e no S.roof no pop out rear quarter windows no elec.windows elec.boot relase etc any help will be cool sorry bout spelling if any.
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Originally Posted by alfacossie
oh and one last thing because the car was built using avo coilovers instead ofstandard suspension dvla wont supply a age related reg so its on a Q plate
01-05-2006, 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by wrcescort
right ok shed some light on to this for me fellas! b4 u all so it i knew b4 it wasnt a ex wrc car!sorry! right on log book
ford
escort
3dr saloon
date:8/01/93
reg:k9cfm
colour blue (actualy white)
vin/chassis: SFABXXBZABPZ29324
engine no. MTC147
tax class PLG
last owner was a garage in cockermouth where ever that is!
only got car as shell but has all listed above i.e no S.roof no pop out rear quarter windows no elec.windows elec.boot relase etc any help will be cool sorry bout spelling if any.
right on log bookford
escort
3dr saloon
date:8/01/93
reg:k9cfm
colour blue (actualy white)
vin/chassis: SFABXXBZABPZ29324
engine no. MTC147
tax class PLG
last owner was a garage in cockermouth where ever that is!
only got car as shell but has all listed above i.e no S.roof no pop out rear quarter windows no elec.windows elec.boot relase etc any help will be cool sorry bout spelling if any.
now i might be mistaken, but, this car used to have that reg on it not too long ago ???
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Originally Posted by S1rst
Originally Posted by alfacossie
oh and one last thing because the car was built using avo coilovers instead ofstandard suspension dvla wont supply a age related reg so its on a Q plate
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Re: motorsport
Originally Posted by markk
Originally Posted by wrcescort
right ok shed some light on to this for me fellas! b4 u all so it i knew b4 it wasnt a ex wrc car!sorry! right on log book
ford
escort
3dr saloon
date:8/01/93
reg:k9cfm
colour blue (actualy white)
vin/chassis: SFABXXBZABPZ29324
engine no. MTC147
tax class PLG
last owner was a garage in cockermouth where ever that is!
only got car as shell but has all listed above i.e no S.roof no pop out rear quarter windows no elec.windows elec.boot relase etc any help will be cool sorry bout spelling if any.
right on log bookford
escort
3dr saloon
date:8/01/93
reg:k9cfm
colour blue (actualy white)
vin/chassis: SFABXXBZABPZ29324
engine no. MTC147
tax class PLG
last owner was a garage in cockermouth where ever that is!
only got car as shell but has all listed above i.e no S.roof no pop out rear quarter windows no elec.windows elec.boot relase etc any help will be cool sorry bout spelling if any.
now i might be mistaken, but, this car used to have that reg on it not too long ago ???
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my car also has the motorsport karmann seats, and it's a luxury!
the pre owner has got the recaro's in cloth (with a fag burn or 2), he was willing to sell them to me... for the reasonable price of 1800€... i just left them in his shed, now he sold them to someone else. i'm starting to regret it though 
the pre owner has got the recaro's in cloth (with a fag burn or 2), he was willing to sell them to me... for the reasonable price of 1800€...
i just left them in his shed, now he sold them to someone else. i'm starting to regret it though
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Hi Guys
Can anyone shed some light on this car. A friend of mine has the car and I will be selling it on his behalf, Sorry it is in South Africa and is believed to have been driven by Malcolm Wilson who used to be involved in rallying in South Africa. The ECU has his name written on it as well as the antilag computer.
it is a 1992 Motorsport shell etc, I have attached a pic of the motorsport plate and will post the vin as soon as I get it. The car has been uprated to a group A spec 200block, 8 injectors etc so is not quite original as back then as it is now in the Martini colours, the T35 turbo that came off is now on my Sapph Cossie.
Here are some pics
Can anyone shed some light on this car. A friend of mine has the car and I will be selling it on his behalf, Sorry it is in South Africa and is believed to have been driven by Malcolm Wilson who used to be involved in rallying in South Africa. The ECU has his name written on it as well as the antilag computer.
it is a 1992 Motorsport shell etc, I have attached a pic of the motorsport plate and will post the vin as soon as I get it. The car has been uprated to a group A spec 200block, 8 injectors etc so is not quite original as back then as it is now in the Martini colours, the T35 turbo that came off is now on my Sapph Cossie.
Here are some pics
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Hi.huge long shot.but has anyone ever put all this information together.i too have a white motorsport.look like it was factory built.N648COP if anyone has any info or copies of some of the paperwork at the start of this thread.
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