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Old Dec 1, 2016 | 01:11 PM
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A good mapper with the proper tools and knowledge can use high comp and fast injectors on old kit.
Engine building and parts matching are not things you can map around....
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Old Dec 1, 2016 | 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Cossie Sammins
A good mapper with the proper tools and knowledge can use high comp and fast injectors on old kit.
Engine building and parts matching are not things you can map around....
Other things are also needed. The best mapper can't map around certain limitations.

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Old Dec 1, 2016 | 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Cossie Sammins
A good mapper with the proper tools and knowledge can use high comp and fast injectors on old kit.
Engine building and parts matching are not things you can map around....
You cant change the fact you cant was a 3d movie on a black and white tv
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Originally Posted by R4N SS
My saph had a GT3076r with a 0.62 housing and it was laggy as hell. Showed a similar graph plot to Turbotrev and it was horrible to drive on the road - literally nothing until 4500rpm and then it all comes in with a bang - could not drive that car quick or hard as it would just break traction everywhere when the boost comes in.

This was on aftermarket management too so its not just that but the whole spec
The old owner of H20 COS (the other Pug Cossie 205) said the same, the lag on the turbo made it slower than his 300 bhp 205 in real road use.

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Originally Posted by Caddyshack
The old owner of H20 COS (the other Pug Cossie 205) said the same, the lag on the turbo made it slower than his 300 bhp 205 in real road use.
You say this 'real road use' but I disagree there, driving style, gearboxes, etc all make a difference as well, if I keep the revs up all time time it's not gonna be laggy when I wanna accelerate??
It just need keeping in its powerband.

Don't forget I've only made do with it so far as it is what was fitted when I bought the car...

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Old Dec 1, 2016 | 03:43 PM
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When do the bigger efr's come on or near full boost?
I'm talking 8374 or 9180, as that's the kinda power I'm after

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Old Dec 1, 2016 | 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Jay,
You cant change the fact you cant was a 3d movie on a black and white tv
You don't 'need' to watch 3D movies though...
They are just novelty....

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Old Dec 1, 2016 | 03:56 PM
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Here is Cossie Dave's I saw this make 700.3 bhp on the Dyno when Mark mapped it, Dave says there is some lag but nothing that dropping a cog doesn't solve to blow away a sports bike.

I believe this is on 9180....from 5250 to 8000 rpm it is flying

...............and there is an Ally block waiting in the wings

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Originally Posted by Mark Shead
Anytime just call. Building cars and engines so can move stuff easily

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You started to bolt mine together yet mark. I need to pull a few bits out my garage to run up at some point front cover oil pick up sump all sorts

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Originally Posted by Jay,
When i get mine over to you and get it finished he can drive mine
Also happy for Mark to take him out in mine next time it is with Mark (as I need to get the map tweaked for the Hart and new cooler I suspect)
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Originally Posted by turbotrev
You don't 'need' to watch 3D movies though...
They are just novelty....

Cheers Paul
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Old Dec 1, 2016 | 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by costina
Who's dyno Steve as i have heard PJ's read a bit on the optimistic side.

WGT in Middlewich.


TCF was 1.10


Still can't find my graphs but have been looking through PF to find the info.


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Originally Posted by turbotrev
I don't mate, it was at Abbey Motorsport, 460@ the wheels is around 420 flywheel roughly so it all adds up.

What turbo you on for 490@ the wheels? GT30 or bigger? Do you know your flywheel figure?

Cheers Paul

The TCF will be on the graph, mine was 1.10.


The figure is HUBS.


TT T38, billet comp wheel, anti surge housing.


Figure was with 2.23bar boost.


Can't find the graphs, will post when I find them.


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Old Dec 1, 2016 | 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by cossie4i+
The TCF will be on the graph, mine was 1.10.


The figure is HUBS.


TT T38, billet comp wheel, anti surge housing.


Figure was with 2.23bar boost.


Can't find the graphs, will post when I find them.


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You cant find a dyno plot theres something going here I would of thought you would of had yours framed and hung in the front room
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Old Dec 1, 2016 | 05:22 PM
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Interesting thread, good power made at the top end.Im using a twin scrool s200 borg warner on my car and its a big improvement over the gt30 I previously had but stil quite laggy, im using a l8 with pectel board which is holding it back, now have a autronic sm4 ecu to fit over Christmas and then get it booked in with mark to map, so I guess il be able to let u know exactly how a more modern ecu works against a sl8, im hoping for a much better car all round, as iv had lots of starting issues, fouling plugs etc on the l8.
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Old Dec 1, 2016 | 05:31 PM
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I might sound thick here but what's efr?
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Old Dec 1, 2016 | 05:33 PM
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Borg Warner EFR turbos. The bee's knees apparently Not cheap I'd imagine.
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Old Dec 1, 2016 | 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Sierrasideways
Borg Warner EFR turbos. The bee's knees apparently Not cheap I'd imagine.
Ah I see! I thought it was an Abbreviation like egr or mfi lol
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Old Dec 1, 2016 | 05:52 PM
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It means "Engineered For Racing". That is the full extent of my knowledge on the subject lol

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Old Dec 1, 2016 | 05:55 PM
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There no doubt about it when you see the spec an efr comes with as standard it's a cracker of a turbo, anything that uses titanium gernally is lol.

Lee2cossies will be interesting to see your views, will you be using the same wiring loom in both cases?
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Evo with 9180 on race fuel
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Escort from l8 to aftermarket at same boost.
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Evo gtx3071 to a s200 Borg warner.
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Doug stirlings Escort was on a gt3076 with .63 housing then converted to gt3071 .82 my cams and aftermarket ecu.
As you can see diff specs with diff results.
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Originally Posted by Adam-M
There no doubt about it when you see the spec an efr comes with as standard it's a cracker of a turbo, anything that uses titanium gernally is lol.

Lee2cossies will be interesting to see your views, will you be using the same wiring loom in both cases?
The autronic management needs a different loom, luckily my set up came with a loom, I have a new l8 loom from autodynamix on my car and he said if needed he could modify my loom to work with the autronic ecu.
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Originally Posted by Mark Shead
Doug stirlings Escort was on a gt3076 with .63 housing then converted to gt3071 .82 my cams and aftermarket ecu.
As you can see diff specs with diff results.


Mark
That's really good torque, is the evo graph that's directly above this one got a torque limit on it or something as it's 100lbft less than the last cossie graph you posted?
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Originally Posted by Adam-M
That's really good torque, is the evo graph that's directly above this one got a torque limit on it or something as it's 100lbft less than the last cossie graph you posted?
No that is the diff from swapping turbo and manifold.
Doug's engine responded very well to the mods.

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Boost = torque more low end boost more torque .. i love boost lol
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Originally Posted by Mark Shead
The graph looks like the engine spec is aimed at max power and if that's how you like it that's fine.
The way I spec stuff is I would rather loose 20hp and pick up 60ftlb and that also brings in the response earlier.
As far as aftermarket goes tech it shouldn't make more but it does. Play old school Atari and then PS4 this is the diff in knowledge and spec of the ecu diff you currently have to the new type aftermarket.

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But the Atari still works 30 plus years on and that ps4 will pack up just after a year.......
Pac man for me over call of duty all day long.

Rod, The op has not got 60k to pay a tuner to spec and build a engine so its a bit harsh to say he has not got a clue so ffs wind your neck in a give the guy a break.
We all like cars whatever they are so lets be nice eh😀
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Originally Posted by cossie4i+
The TCF will be on the graph, mine was 1.10.


The figure is HUBS.


TT T38, billet comp wheel, anti surge housing.


Figure was with 2.23bar boost.


Can't find the graphs, will post when I find them.

Steve
That'd make it over 550hp at the flywheel!!

On a t38...........

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Originally Posted by costina
But the Atari still works 30 plus years on and that ps4 will pack up just after a year.......
Pac man for me over call of duty all day long.

Rod, The op has not got 60k to pay a tuner to spec and build a engine so its a bit harsh to say he has not got a clue so ffs wind your neck in a give the guy a break.
We all like cars whatever they are so lets be nice eh😀
It works because no sod plays it lol

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Originally Posted by costina
But the Atari still works 30 plus years on and that ps4 will pack up just after a year.......
Pac man for me over call of duty all day long.

Rod, The op has not got 60k to pay a tuner to spec and build a engine so its a bit harsh to say he has not got a clue so ffs wind your neck in a give the guy a break.
We all like cars whatever they are so lets be nice eh😀
I like this post Ha ha!!

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Threads like this will always cause arguments and very different opinions lol. No one denies the old way of doing tings won't get you a number. Dose it compare to the modern way in terms of power delivery how soon it comes in and the torque a spec and set up from someone who knows what there doing? Not in a million years. But if your happy with it fair play everyone it different and can afford different things
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Originally Posted by Jay,
Boost = torque more low end boost more torque .. i love boost lol
I'd rather have a big atmo
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Originally Posted by ajamesc
You started to bolt mine together yet mark. I need to pull a few bits out my garage to run up at some point front cover oil pick up sump all sorts
Looking to start it in Jan

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Originally Posted by Mark Shead
Doug stirlings Escort was on a gt3076 with .63 housing then converted to gt3071 .82 my cams and aftermarket ecu.
As you can see diff specs with diff results.


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Am I right in saying full boost is at about 4500 on this graph?

Cheers Paul
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You've still not said why you think my graph is so awful Martin?

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Originally Posted by turbotrev
Am I right in saying full boost is at about 4500 on this graph?

Cheers Paul
Full boost on black graph is just before max tq. On the red one the boost was sim to black due to the .63 but was surge limited and to much exhaust cam.

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Originally Posted by Mark Shead
Looking to start it in Jan

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Originally Posted by Martin-Hadland
I'd rather have a big atmo
Mate im with on that if i ever sell the taxi a big hemi just sounds awesome
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