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Zetec_mk4_XR3i 13-02-2007 06:45 PM

Mk4 Escort RS2000 track car
 
Bought this XR3i with a blown cvh with plans to Zetec it and use it as a daily runner:

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...i/100_0626.jpg

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...i/100_0628.jpg

De-chavved and engine out

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...i/100_0639.jpg

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...i/100_0643.jpg

2.0 Zetec in original home :wink:

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...i/100_0650.jpg

2.0 Zetec in new home! 8)

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...i/100_0795.jpg

However, the car was then vandalised which made me lose interest and take the Zetec back out so car was a rolling shell again! Wanted to keep it though cos the shell is very very good so it sat for a while when I decided what to do.....me and my mate decided to make it a track toy which would also be taxed and tested for a bit of cheap fun :)

His spare 2.0 zetec was earmarked for the Xr until this little delight came along:

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...DSC00050-1.jpg

Mk5 RS2000, complete except front Recaros! Car was mot'd and taxed with a good engine, full suspension kit, braided hoses and totally original. However the previous owner decided to hit a kerb at a silly speed which bent the back axle, and totally fooked the o/s strut etc. plus the car was totally rotten and had burst brake pipes etc :shock:

So to be a little different, it was decided the I4 was going in the mk4 so the stripping commenced and a little later car looked like this :lol:

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...DSC00070-3.jpg

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...i/DSC00071.jpg

and the lump awaits a clean up and a few changes then into its new home

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...i/DSC00072.jpg

Thats it the now as theres no light at the garage but RS gets scrapped next weekend and will get some more pics of the engine going in 8)

Still got the MTX box for sale, as well as bonnet, bumper, skirts, headlights etc if anyone interested :)

Hope you like :D

1.9 xr2 on 40's 13-02-2007 06:58 PM

14 wont drop in as easy as a zetec but more nags to it so gotta be worth it :top:

poor little rs2000, wont be many about soon, they are getting broken quicker than ford built em

dsgtrain 15-02-2007 09:04 PM

True, it's a shame really. Why you want the I4 anyway, it's not as easy to modify as the Zetec?

massivewangers 16-02-2007 12:35 AM

Poor old RS2k, it's a shame to see so many get broken, people just don't seem to look after the old things :(

Very interested to see how this conversion goes, was wondering how easy it is to get the I4 into a MK4!

What's involved in the conversion?

Zetec_mk4_XR3i 16-02-2007 01:58 PM

I agree it was a shame on the RS - if the suspension etc wasnt bent it would have gone back on the road but there was no way this thing was going back near a road - made me realise I'd like a good one though :top:

Already got a 2.0 zetec powered mk4 so this is to be a bit different - plus the RS2k engine is 150 bhp out the box and i reckon once the PAS is off, EGR sh*te is off, cat is bypassed and cone filter/stainless exhaust added it should be quite interestin.....especially in a mk4 escort with nowt in it but 2 seats :cool: :banana:

CVH box bolts up once you change flywheel so thats that end sorted, just got to have a look/try with rear engine mount - trial and error really but will get some pics up. It has been done a few times so its not impossible ;)

Wardy257 16-02-2007 04:26 PM

Stick with the ZETEC. Getting 170 bhp is easy, its lighter, more reliable, is already fitted and parts are easier to find and cheaper.

Mark V8 16-02-2007 05:12 PM


Originally Posted by Wardy257
Stick with the ZETEC. Getting 170 bhp is easy, its lighter, more reliable, is already fitted and parts are easier to find and cheaper.

The Zetec is lighter than the I4 but has less power, is no more reliable and can't be made into a 2.3 for peanuts. Parts are available for the I4 to get plenty of power ;)

Mark

RSeb 16-02-2007 08:35 PM

if anything the I4 is more reliable

Wardy257 16-02-2007 09:03 PM


Originally Posted by RS2300 4x4

Originally Posted by Wardy257
Stick with the ZETEC. Getting 170 bhp is easy, its lighter, more reliable, is already fitted and parts are easier to find and cheaper.

The Zetec is lighter than the I4 but has less power, is no more reliable and can't be made into a 2.3 for peanuts. Parts are available for the I4 to get plenty of power ;)

Mark

The ZETEC is detuned as standard, that is why!!!

Mark V8 16-02-2007 09:32 PM


Originally Posted by Wardy257

Originally Posted by RS2300 4x4

Originally Posted by Wardy257
Stick with the ZETEC. Getting 170 bhp is easy, its lighter, more reliable, is already fitted and parts are easier to find and cheaper.

The Zetec is lighter than the I4 but has less power, is no more reliable and can't be made into a 2.3 for peanuts. Parts are available for the I4 to get plenty of power ;)

Mark

The ZETEC is detuned as standard, that is why!!!

So bolt in a detuned engine that is hard to get a capacity increase out of because it is the easiest option :?

Mark

massivewangers 17-02-2007 03:57 AM

Look forward to seeing the pics of how it all goes in, it is quite tempting for mine if it's quite easy as the engines are getting pretty cheap these days!

To be honest, although the Zetec is good, the I4 is a cracking engine, and I'd pick it, quite simply on noise alone, they sound fantastic, and go bloody well :top:

Bungle 17-02-2007 12:14 PM

Great project you got there mate and brilliant choice on the i4 and they do sound awsome,

Keep on breaking RS 2000'S i say at least that way when they get very rare mine will be worth a shit load :cry: :cry: :cry: cheers, Grant :top:

Wardy257 17-02-2007 03:23 PM


Originally Posted by RS2300 4x4

Originally Posted by Wardy257

Originally Posted by RS2300 4x4

Originally Posted by Wardy257
Stick with the ZETEC. Getting 170 bhp is easy, its lighter, more reliable, is already fitted and parts are easier to find and cheaper.

The Zetec is lighter than the I4 but has less power, is no more reliable and can't be made into a 2.3 for peanuts. Parts are available for the I4 to get plenty of power ;)

Mark

The ZETEC is detuned as standard, that is why!!!

So bolt in a detuned engine that is hard to get a capacity increase out of because it is the easiest option :?

Mark

Who needs a capacity increase? A 2 ltr ZETEC is quite capable of 250 bhp. The engine is detuned by the poor inlet manifold and ECU map, an easy fix. The ZETEC has had far more motorsport sucess than the I4 which says it all. :wall: :wall:

massivewangers 17-02-2007 03:34 PM

What motorsport success has the silvertop Zetec had?

The Mondeo BTCC car used a V6 engine, the WRC cars used a Cosworth engine?

The RS2000 rally cars used a 280BHP n/a I4 engine though, so surely they have more motorsport heritage? I thought the Zetec only really got motorsport use with the black top, like the CGI block in the Focus WRC cars?

Correct me if I'm wrong though :D

1.9 xr2 on 40's 17-02-2007 03:51 PM

:cry: a valid point


its a 14 engine tho not i4

Wardy257 17-02-2007 03:56 PM

Have you not heard of kit cars etc? Have a look here:

http://www.750mc.co.uk/

How many wins do you see on there with I4?

Notice how Formula Ford uses the ZETEC and not the I4?

http://www.britishformulaford.co.uk/index.htm

A ZETEC is a ZETEC so the Focus WRC counts. Did the RS2000 win anything?

NA, up to 200 bhp the ZETEC is best engine for £ per bhp and even as you go up to 250 bhp it is still competetive.

Mark V8 17-02-2007 06:25 PM

I will agree to disagree :DD:

Given the choice I would use the 2.3 Galaxy bottom end with RS2000 head and cams, this would be a very torquey option that will happily rev to 7000rpm.

Mark

Bungle 17-02-2007 10:01 PM


Originally Posted by 1.9 xr2 on 40's
:cry: a valid point


its a 14 engine tho not i4

MUPPET, Go and join wardy with your lack of knowledge on the I4 :wall: :wall: :wall:

1.9 xr2 on 40's 17-02-2007 10:10 PM

never said im a fukin expert :roll:

just go by what other people say, ive had 2 rs2000's and both were shit but broke for a profit, rotten old shitters

Wardy257 17-02-2007 10:34 PM


Originally Posted by GRANT RS 2000

Originally Posted by 1.9 xr2 on 40's
:cry: a valid point


its a 14 engine tho not i4

MUPPET, Go and join wardy with your lack of knowledge on the I4 :wall: :wall: :wall:

Why waste time learning about a shite engine? ZETECs and DURATECs are worth learning about :top: :top: :top: :top:

adam_frst 17-02-2007 10:39 PM

just stick with the rs2000 lump, be different :top: :banana:

Mark V8 17-02-2007 10:41 PM


Originally Posted by Wardy257

Originally Posted by GRANT RS 2000

Originally Posted by 1.9 xr2 on 40's
:cry: a valid point


its a 14 engine tho not i4

MUPPET, Go and join wardy with your lack of knowledge on the I4 :wall: :wall: :wall:

Why waste time learning about a shite engine? ZETECs and DURATECs are worth learning about :top: :top: :top: :top:

SILLY BOY :blabla:

Just because you know nothing about the engine does not mean it is shite.
My 2.3 made 216bhp on PE rollers, the same engine with a GT28 made 300bhp at 12psi. The Cosworth Sierra I bought to replace my RS2300 only made 290bhp at 19 psi.

I'm glad that my days of small engines are over :DD:

Mark

massivewangers 18-02-2007 02:46 AM

Well, I did say I was open to correction and you have put forward a couple of things I hadn't thought of, so thank you :top:

I won't say anything against the Zetec, it's a cracking engine, but for me, in relatively standard guise, the noise and sheer grunt of the I4 cant be beaten :D

Top project anyway, regardless of what people think about different engines :clap:

zippyobrien 18-02-2007 12:44 PM

the current focus rally car uses a 14 engine, not a zetec to,

fuckin bullet proof engine, and make shite loads of power at very low boost when turbod,

ive got one sitting in my garage that im considering popping in the rs turbo when the poor little cvh spits out its pistons,

plus, there easy to turbo as you can boltt he 200 sx turbo manifold to them, which gives you some very interesting turbo chioces

Zetec_mk4_XR3i 19-02-2007 02:15 PM

Jees, who mentioned a can of worms :DD: :DD: :DD:

The reasons we are going I4 in this car are:

- I've already got a 2.0 zetec mk4 as my run-about
- the donor RS2000 was stupid cheap (£170)
- the I4 has more power as standard
- the I4 sounds fookin lovely
- its different

But thanks for all the comments, RS has now been crushed will get some update pics up soon :top:

_DAN_ 19-02-2007 07:52 PM

Nice project,the l4 is a sweet motor and sounds rather nice around 4-5K. :cool:

Mark V8 19-02-2007 08:05 PM


Originally Posted by BatFink
Nice project,the l4 is a sweet motor and sounds rather nice around 4-5K. :cool:

Sounds even better with these :cool:

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/0...0/9da6914d.jpg

Mark

_DAN_ 19-02-2007 08:09 PM


Originally Posted by RS2300 4x4

Originally Posted by BatFink
Nice project,the l4 is a sweet motor and sounds rather nice around 4-5K. :cool:

Sounds even better with these :cool:

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/0...0/9da6914d.jpg

Mark

:cool: Bet that sounds mint.

16vzetec 19-02-2007 10:06 PM

i was originally going to do this with my mk4 but found it was too hard to get it to fit.
the engine mount was the biggest prob.
plus i wanted power steering so the zetec setup fitted better than the rs.
but i love the rs2000 engine, i dont care what anyone says they are a fooking good lump that can be thrashed and are easier to get power from.
you can get 170 bhp with a chip exhaust and a filter and egr removed.
they have huge ports as standard and thats why they sound so throaty.

Zetec_mk4_XR3i 11-03-2007 08:30 PM

Well got engine in today:

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...i/DSC00105.jpg

Will get better pics when its out of garage but its bolted up to a 1.3 Fiesta 5 speed box with cvh flywheel. Bolted in fine, cradle is all bolted up and engine is sitting at the right height to start making an engine mount!

In terms of bonnet closing, got two options.... If we put the raisers at the back it closes fine or without the raisers, we need to remove the o/s vent and it just pokes out nicely :lol:

Also bought this:

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...i/DSC00103.jpg

Came along very cheaply as was outta tax and test and had been badly vandalised :evil:

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...i/DSC00104.jpg

Cabrio provided newish lowered suspension, a new exhaust, spare wheels and lots of daft bits we needed for the XR like driveshafts and various bolts - got lifted for scrap yesterday 8)

XR gettin moved to mates garage with power very soon to get the mount sussed out then connect it all up 8)

CheeRS :)

749steve 11-03-2007 09:28 PM

looking good :clap:

Bungle 11-03-2007 09:44 PM

Shit hot matey lovin all the mk4's in this section at the min well done with this i've only ever seen one mk4 with the i4 in top work pal :top:

Zetec_mk4_XR3i 11-03-2007 10:43 PM

Cheers ta :top:

Grant - got a white 90 spec spoiler if your interested :DD:

Bungle 11-03-2007 11:42 PM

You fucking beauty pm'ed ;)

16vzetec 12-03-2007 08:59 AM

please get pics of the mount!!
i'd be really interested in how you make the mount.
also what you doing about the power steering pump on it?

Zetec_mk4_XR3i 12-03-2007 09:50 AM

PM'd back mate :top:

My mate is a metal fabricator with years of experience so he will be making it up - will get some pics asap.

In terms of power steering...... pump has been ripped off and thrown away! Need to suss out alternator set up though :?

Zetec_mk4_XR3i 29-03-2007 07:02 PM

No up to date pics yet - gettin moved on Sat but next track day is end of April so gonna be busy :content:

Tonyt1t 30-03-2007 01:00 AM

good luck n get some mroe blomin pics!

pikeyrs 21-11-2008 08:03 PM

whats happening with this car? has it been abandoned? im about to do the same thing and im lookin for some info!!!!!!

Zetec_mk4_XR3i 06-12-2008 11:55 AM

yeah mate got made a good offer for shell so moved it on....still got engine though for when another one comes along and got more time :)


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