Charlie Shaw AG Focus
06-01-2015, 10:19 PM
#42
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There not really comparable though that Scooby I think is a flat v6 3.6 twin turbo with gt35 tubs and over 1000 hp and under 1 ton in weight, that's afaik anyways, there is no replacement for displacement boys and girls
08-01-2015, 07:08 PM
#43
PassionFord Post Troll
This car is responsible for reviving my passion for a fast rs its the absolute bollox imo the ultimate cossie powerd ford ooo id love a smith and jones 
YB Aluminium Cylinder Blocks
Manufactured from Grainger & Worrall - Super-Cube Machined Castings. Foley Patterns of Kidderminster designed and manufactured the first class casting equipment that is used to produce the Grainger and Worrall YB block castings.*
YB Aluminium Cylinder Blocks are tailor finished at Smith and Jones Engineering to meet the individual needs
YB Aluminium Cylinder Blocks
Manufactured from Grainger & Worrall - Super-Cube Machined Castings. Foley Patterns of Kidderminster designed and manufactured the first class casting equipment that is used to produce the Grainger and Worrall YB block castings.*
YB Aluminium Cylinder Blocks are tailor finished at Smith and Jones Engineering to meet the individual needs
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Focosmitch (08-01-2015)
09-01-2015, 04:53 PM
#44
This Subaru is a good one as well!
Drag Race with Andy Forrest and Charlie Shaw Focus taught a lesson - YouTube
Drag Race with Andy Forrest and Charlie Shaw Focus taught a lesson - YouTube
09-01-2015, 05:00 PM
#45
cossie fan (unluckerly)
09-01-2015, 07:08 PM
#46
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I wonder how the Focus would compare to Wennys mk3 Escort in a drag race (yes I know it's not got a mk3 engine in it).
09-01-2015, 07:48 PM
#47
It's no shame losing to that Subaru is it's probably the fastest 4wd car in the uk and set up for drag racing when the focus is a track car, 2 incredible cars and both up there with the rcm gobstopper 2 on a much lower budget.
Sure andy did a 9.5 1/4 with his old engine so it should be low 9 now, wennys best is 9.5 I'm sure.
Sure andy did a 9.5 1/4 with his old engine so it should be low 9 now, wennys best is 9.5 I'm sure.
09-01-2015, 08:57 PM
#49
Ben
I'd imagine the difference between the Focus and Wennys Escort would be like the difference between the Focus and Scoobie.
09-01-2015, 09:14 PM
#50
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It's no shame losing to that Subaru is it's probably the fastest 4wd car in the uk and set up for drag racing when the focus is a track car, 2 incredible cars and both up there with the rcm gobstopper 2 on a much lower budget.
Sure andy did a 9.5 1/4 with his old engine so it should be low 9 now, wennys best is 9.5 I'm sure.
Sure andy did a 9.5 1/4 with his old engine so it should be low 9 now, wennys best is 9.5 I'm sure.
09-01-2015, 10:50 PM
#51
Both are very much extremes at any level though...and boost is a replacement for displacement, except he has both lol
And to say Andy's car is set up for drag racing is wrong, especially has he has his track wheels on with the low profile ( probably Kumho's ) and big rear spoiler in the video.
Andy's car excels at track and drag almost regardless of what configuration. But if he tailors it to a task, it just gets better, and in the video it certainly isnt tailored towards drag.
Dont get me wrong, the AG spaceframe focus is an awesome car too, but it's a very different machine in every respect.
Engine name...I guess that could be argued. Many people in the LS world change blocks, cranks, heads, rotating parts....in effect absolutely the entire engine, but it's still deemed an LS powered vehicle Which probably doesnt make sense.
but I guess if it retains all the bolt patterns and fitments, what's the difference in replacing a block compared to a crank, or rods, or pistons ?
10-01-2015, 12:24 AM
#53
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7.7 @ 179 mph
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct..._ff6oTCfIBBibw
0-179 mph in 7.7 seconds is simply staggering
10-01-2015, 06:10 AM
#54
The focus is a out and out track car it's done a 50 second dead at knockhill Charlie said the speed that Subaru can make up on the straight is unreal just like everything there is always someone bigger and better I suppose , still be a long time in the ford world before another ford does what the focus can do on track
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10-01-2015, 03:16 PM
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The focus is a out and out track car it's done a 50 second dead at knockhill Charlie said the speed that Subaru can make up on the straight is unreal just like everything there is always someone bigger and better I suppose , still be a long time in the ford world before another ford does what the focus can do on track
10-01-2015, 03:28 PM
#56
It isnt the block isnt original ford cast block every thing from material is different bore stroke wall thickness oil ways breather system and iirc the head has different thickness valves are different ports are too so in effect its better than a YB but the yb rocker cover fits though
10-01-2015, 03:52 PM
#58
cossie fan (unluckerly)
A big factor in what makes this car so fast will also be its weight and the fact it is a dedicated track car with the right gearbox brakes and suspension. The whole package is right for what it dose
10-01-2015, 03:54 PM
#59
Ben
It's as much a YB as a Millington is! Which is not a lot lol.
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nevsrevs (10-04-2015)
10-01-2015, 04:05 PM
#62
I was quoted Ł4800 for the block I wanted with the extra machining and Ł6200 for the head just with valves so add another 8 k ish you will have a bare engine for 800 bhp
then another 5k for turbo exhaust ect and 3 k ecu loom 7-10 k (more like 25k) gearbox 5k on brakes 1-2 k on shafts ect then you can makes a start on 40k + shell build
cheap car that focus
but then it is cheap for what it does compared to sanctioned rac cars
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Fullflush (11-01-2015)
10-01-2015, 04:14 PM
#64
cossie fan (unluckerly)
I can see the appeal of an alloy block but it is a lot of money and you have to draw the line some wear lol. The average build right to the point wear your almost hitting 700bhp a ford yb block with liners must be good enough for a road car.
10-01-2015, 04:22 PM
#66
cossie fan (unluckerly)
I got my 200 for 500 quid all in ready to use in my car it will owe me about 2500 - 3000 so a fair bit cheaper option as it will handle the 650 I'm going for
11-01-2015, 11:55 AM
#67
For us to run a 200 block above certain levels now it's a risk the customer takes as you can't warrant a old yb block now.
We have seen so many issues with the yb block starting around 550bhp in racecarsdirect and were still trying to push 800+
When you work out the cost involved on a 20k plus engine build the extra 1k over a nikasil linered block for the safety aspect alone it's worth every penny
Not to mention the rod angle, capacity, weight gains etc it's a no brainer really
11-01-2015, 11:58 AM
#68
cossie fan (unluckerly)
Unfortunately now a 200 block is a gamble. They're old and getting weak at big torque levels.
For us to run a 200 block above certain levels now it's a risk the customer takes as you can't warrant a old yb block now.
We have seen so many issues with the yb block starting around 550bhp in racecarsdirect and were still trying to push 800+
When you work out the cost involved on a 20k plus engine build the extra 1k over a nikasil linered block for the safety aspect alone it's worth every penny
Not to mention the rod angle, capacity, weight gains etc it's a no brainer really
For us to run a 200 block above certain levels now it's a risk the customer takes as you can't warrant a old yb block now.
We have seen so many issues with the yb block starting around 550bhp in racecarsdirect and were still trying to push 800+
When you work out the cost involved on a 20k plus engine build the extra 1k over a nikasil linered block for the safety aspect alone it's worth every penny
Not to mention the rod angle, capacity, weight gains etc it's a no brainer really
11-01-2015, 12:48 PM
#70
cossie fan (unluckerly)
You talking to me? If so how would I be a fool lol. I've stated its huge expense in a road car. Totally different story if your building a 800bhp+ engine or a full blown race engine like what's in this focus. If money was no object then yes you would do it but for most that's not the case and just getting to the 600 point is a huge cost with out adding the amount it would cost for a new style block and head in a weekend toy lol
11-01-2015, 08:36 PM
#72
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Unfortunately now a 200 block is a gamble. They're old and getting weak at big torque levels.
For us to run a 200 block above certain levels now it's a risk the customer takes as you can't warrant a old yb block now.
We have seen so many issues with the yb block starting around 550bhp in racecarsdirect and were still trying to push 800+
When you work out the cost involved on a 20k plus engine build the extra 1k over a nikasil linered block for the safety aspect alone it's worth every penny
Not to mention the rod angle, capacity, weight gains etc it's a no brainer really
For us to run a 200 block above certain levels now it's a risk the customer takes as you can't warrant a old yb block now.
We have seen so many issues with the yb block starting around 550bhp in racecarsdirect and were still trying to push 800+
When you work out the cost involved on a 20k plus engine build the extra 1k over a nikasil linered block for the safety aspect alone it's worth every penny
Not to mention the rod angle, capacity, weight gains etc it's a no brainer really
07-04-2015, 03:34 PM
#73
Its a smith and jones YB, its not a ford cosworth YB.
So yes its a YB if you want to just use the letters as thats what it is called so you cant really argue its "not a YB" but you also cant argue its a ford cosworth YB, at best its a copy of one that went wrong (by being far better, lol).
Just like a 205 Gti is a Gti and so is a golf Gti.
I personally view them as very different cars, but they do still have the same letters.
So yes its a YB if you want to just use the letters as thats what it is called so you cant really argue its "not a YB" but you also cant argue its a ford cosworth YB, at best its a copy of one that went wrong (by being far better, lol).
Just like a 205 Gti is a Gti and so is a golf Gti.
I personally view them as very different cars, but they do still have the same letters.
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08-04-2015, 09:55 AM
#79
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Its a smith and jones YB, its not a ford cosworth YB.
So yes its a YB if you want to just use the letters as thats what it is called so you cant really argue its "not a YB" but you also cant argue its a ford cosworth YB, at best its a copy of one that went wrong (by being far better, lol).
Just like a 205 Gti is a Gti and so is a golf Gti.
I personally view them as very different cars, but they do still have the same letters.
So yes its a YB if you want to just use the letters as thats what it is called so you cant really argue its "not a YB" but you also cant argue its a ford cosworth YB, at best its a copy of one that went wrong (by being far better, lol).
Just like a 205 Gti is a Gti and so is a golf Gti.
I personally view them as very different cars, but they do still have the same letters.
If my command of the English was as good as yours that's exactly how I would have put it
. The Smith & Jones gives an alternative if you want big power. However we are all in this hobby for different reasons. For me its continued development of the Cosworth YB & a useable 1000bhp. Smith & Jones will be involved in the development although im under orders not to say at this point.Charlies car is an amazing machine because the money has been spent to make it so.
08-04-2015, 09:56 AM
#80
Ben