vtec engine in mk4 escort
 

Been building a mk4 escort up and been thinking about engines.

Cvh are crap,
Rs2000 lump is to heavy.
Zetec turbo is good, but 1000£ for rods and piston plus management.

So thought is copy chip.
Been offered a 1.8 vti for 300 sheets.

The engine looms are seprate and managent is mappable with hondata.

And id have to make shafts to fit a mtx so thought sod it, go jap.

Views for and against please guys (regarding dimensions ect. )

Lee

im absolutly against it sorry!shit engine and dead slow. i destroy civics in my remapped bora tdi! there slow and a waste unless you use the integra engine or K SERIES engine out the type r which are quick enough... i just see it as loud for nothing!!! the boys around here use the k series engine in the small box civics so they are quickish!! just save your money and get a zetec turbo on ofab . i have the ofab .. just get a zetec turbo engine.... mines standard with skimmed pistons at 300plus bhp and still going strong b ut even if you run it at 240bhp or 250bhp on the fiesta 195 chip it will be RAPID!!!!

OR USE THE B18 ENGINE AND run it with a turbo on low boost... but then u will still need to save and save .. so just put a zetec turbo in it and do it properly the once..[ VTEC JUST KICKED IN YO!!! is what you hear around here and still cant catch the family diesel cars :cry:

I've had vtecs before and there far superior to any zetec.

And the plan is to go turbo with. Can run 400 bhp and stock engines.

And the b18c is essentially a teg type r engine with less aggressive cams

i know mate. jamtec tuning are based just 10 mins away from me.. i pissed on all there cars and there customers cars and now they are building a turbod one . my mate has 1 with 380bhp and every day it just smokes and something goes wrong with it. them engines just dont last long when they are turbod sorry . i know of 4 and they all didnt last long!!!!
do what you think is right chap its just my opinion

Arnt the gearboxes on the other side tho so mounts will need to swap sides. Would be alot of work to do it.

Sounds cool,get it done fella!!!!!Would it not be easier to fit it all in piecemeal and then use honda box and inner cv`s,then swap to escort cv`s the other end,they should in some way be able to fit,failing that,cut the shaft,make the honda shaft inner female and turn down the outside of the escort shaft into a male,insert them together and a competant welding firm should be able to do the rest.
Just an idea mind you,it`s something i`ve often toyed with in cars before,never done it though!!!

oh yeah!!!!

well, yh would have to swap the munts around, but could move the servo back to the correct side as thered be room.

i kicked the crap out of my last two vtecs and couldnt get em to break.

i no it will be alot of work, but it wont be any more work than fitting a zetec and mtx box in the bay?


id swap the shafts on the escort side to side, so the short shaft is on the drvers side, then cut both sets of shafts and machine up a sleeve,

i only want 300 ish bhp, and theyll do that reliably on pretty stock lump.

i love they when chip said he was going to do it every one was all up for it, but as soon as some one else wants to stray away from the crowd (not a digg at u chip, was hoping yud see this tbh)

leee

There not actually that bad, power delivery is not for some so I would say drive one and see what you think, they don't really have that much low down power so in the real world I guess there not that quick, my mate has the DC2 Teg which is quite nice, When in the "Zone" they really do sound georgeous and you get moving, isn't that what the "Vtec yo" is all about :)?

Martin

MK4 Escort with a VTEC engine would go really well imo. CPLracing offer supercharger coversions for not so much money and would really kick ass.

I know a guy who loves his Honda VTECs, he's had a Classic Mini with a throttle bodied Integra engine, mk1 Golf with Integra engine, and an E30 with S2000 engine/box.

Golf and E30 :
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Good idea, but a pain in the arse to do

I reckon I'm guna go for it, always enjoyed my vtecs before.
Can't see mounting it being that hard.

It's a good idea, it can be don, there is a member on the xrtwo.com site called burt who has fitted a Honda v tec in to a mk1 fiesta,

FLOL @ that


Standard B18C4 plus a turbo and a remap (with appropriate injectors etc and an intercooler obviously) = 400bhp


They are VERY good engines, yes when they are standard non turbo and in a heavy car a lighter turbo car will beat them, but you have to be a fucking retard to think that means the engine itself is bad!


LSD and a strong gearbox as standard too

FLOL

Arent you the bloke wanting to know how to get into 13s in your escort?

Doesnt sound like it will be pissing all over anything at the moment :cry:


Fucking dreamer :cry:

Two key factors there:
1) the people replying to me were the daytime crowd who tend to be brighter
2) I was replacing a renault engine with a honda one, not a ford one that people have all sorts of emotional attachments to.


I think its a really good idea, far better to fit a ready to go engine than to spend thousands trying to tune a shopping car engine to make it into something it doesnt start as.

Cheers, that's the sort of informed opinion I was after.

Did they all come with LSD? I thought it was just the vtis, I no I had to do a Shit load of hunting when I wanted one for my eg5 sohc Vtec.

I refuse to believe that you've come up agaisnt anything other that a 1.4 with a back box to have 'smoked them in a bora derv,
My last one was only a 1.6 sohc and that ran 15 s dead at the pod with a remap and cam, good luck doing that in your derv mate.

Hahaha I'm sure your RS Turbo at '300+bhp' is pretty quick; but going by the comments you make, it looks like you don't have a clue when it comes to other cars. A K20 in an EF or EG shape Civic would absolutely fly... providing the conversion properly, which they would if they've forked out for the K20 conversion parts, they should consistently and reliably be pulling better 1/4 mile times than your '300+bhp' RS Turbo. :cry:

This proves you have no clue.

So does this.

Correct.

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Cheers,
Grant

Yep, all MB6 VTi came with LSD as standard mate.. as far as I can remember, the VTi-S was just an exterior styling upgrade.


Cheers,
Grant

All B18C4 engined VTI came with LSD, not just the VTI-S

You can check its an LSD by making sure the gearbox has the designation S9B

100% agreed on that chip, theres lots of ford blinkers on this site though :cry:

Sweet, cheers for the info on the diff.

What's the score on management ? I no the p28 is mappable but thats an earlyer ecu isnt it ?
Or can mega squirt run Vtec ?

The Vtec is only activated by a pin dropping to ground as far as im aware, so should be a breeze on any management system.
Im planning to use Autronic SM4 on mine (ended up with one spare) but originally I was going to use Mtec V4 (commericial ecu based on megasquirt)

Surely the map needs to be changed on tec ? Or can that be mapped in ?

Well it's always going to be on cam above a certain RPM so after that RPM it will be mapped for the aggressive cam so should just be mapped as normal for the aggressive cam and mapped normally for the milder cam before the changeover.

What the fuck are you on? The 1.8 vtec is a great engine. Wasn't very quick in the heavy five door Civic, but in something lighter, it's a stormer. The DC2 Integra for example! Tweaked a bit for that purpose, but a stunning car without doubt.

I'm not that into vtec engines, they're not my thing in a road car, but you really are speaking utter shite there.

vtec slow my arse this is a bloke i know http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoUDUL7mX-g

Well, I got it lol. And for 250 quid.
Still got tax and mot on it. Result lol.

go for it get it done may have been done b4 but iv never seen an escort with vtec

Lmfao @ mo rs turbo. Your obviously a clown and not got a clue :cry:

I've been looking into different engine conversions for my mk2 xr2. Obviously first thought was a zetec but when I was banned from here for a week (jokes thread:cry:) I joined xr2.com and saw a few people doing vauxhall redtops into fiestas and got me thinking but now you've planted another seed ;-)

Just go for it and remember to post up a thread

Nutsrus has a 1600cc K series in a Mk3 which goes well there is a video on here of it.

Go for it... The only thing i'd do is swap the Escort shell for a Civic ;)

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that weird ! a guy around here used that engine in them small civics whatever shape they are called and had a t3 turbo on it it made 320bhp and BLEW UP THE SAME WEEK!

jamtec tuning did a car they got 13.6 at the pod which is quick but on the dual carriage ways it aint thatr wuick once its rolling...

vtecs ARRRRRGHHH there over rated for fuck sakes i leave these cars in a diesel bora!!! k series engine in a normal type r would be quick? so why is it thaat i raced plenty and non of them ever got past me i always gradually pull away from them in my remapped bora tdi!! i dont care what u say mate a k series engine in a lighter shape civic would be quick [what a mate currently owns] but not quck as my rs or quicker that a 350bhp evo that hj has lost to!!! i just dont see sense in doing it FOCK A VTEC!!!!!!!!!!!!! GET A DIESEL AND IT WILL SMOKE EM

hmm them redtops are nice

i was considering doing this to my mk1 fiesta rather than a zetec, will be watching this one :D

I hate assuming things in life, but im going to assume your IQ is one of the lowest on this site.

THIS IS WHAT IM TRYING TO SAY ! on the roads they are shit these vtecs! they cant do anything . i raced em off the lights etc and smoke em. i hear them screaming but they just doint go anywhere! "wait till my vtec kicks in " is what i hear at hamshall and they still get smoked by normal cars!!!