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Old 14-05-2007 | 08:09 AM
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Dare I ask how the traction control works ?
You could, and i would say i dont know as i am only going to sell Launch Control.

Launch control works as folows:
We set an ecu rev limit of say, 3000rpm. This is activated by a switch on your dash.

When this switch is set, and you put the car to full throttle in Neutral, the ecu actively starts to retard the timing and adjust the fuelling to get the max amount of energy into the exhaust, whilst also limiting engine rpm. This has teh effect of bringing your turbocharger into a positive boost situation too.... so when you dump the clutch in......!!
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Dare I ask how the traction control works ?
You could, and i would say i dont know as i am only going to sell Launch Control.
Oops, my bad

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Launch control works as folows:
We set an ecu rev limit of say, 3000rpm. This is activated by a switch on your dash.
When this switch is set, and you put the car to full throttle in Neutral, the ecu actively starts to retard the timing and adjust the fuelling to get the max amount of energy into the exhaust, whilst also limiting engine rpm. This has the effect of bringing your turbocharger into a positive boost situation too.... so when you dump the clutch in......!!
Makes perfect sense, much easier than balancing car on clutch/handbrake to build boost prior to launch
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Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
so when you dump the clutch in......!!
"The gearbox chews itself to bits!

Sorry couldnt resist!
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Ps this is making me more inclined to dump the temperamental P8 system..
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Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
so when you dump the clutch in......!!
"The gearbox chews itself to bits!

Sorry couldnt resist!
PMSL,,,
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top work stu

now can you also invent me a sierra that doesnt rust, rattle or break you will have all my attention
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Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Launch control works as folows:
We set an ecu rev limit of say, 3000rpm. This is activated by a switch on your dash.

When this switch is set, and you put the car to full throttle in Neutral, the ecu actively starts to retard the timing and adjust the fuelling to get the max amount of energy into the exhaust, whilst also limiting engine rpm. This has the effect of bringing your turbocharger into a positive boost situation too.... so when you dump the clutch in......!!
my ST has that as a std feature, if you are not moving and the clutch is down, the rev limit is dropped to 3.5K so yuo can get away without a riduculious amount of wheel spin
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Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Can you imagine having your Level 8 Do:

Wasted spark.
&
Closed loop fuelling control together?

Oh yes, your right we can allready have that cant we?





What i meant to say was...

Can you imagine having your Level 8 with:

Wasted spark.
&
Closed loop fuelling control.
&
Pectel compatible serial datastream output for diagnostics.

Sorry?, Oh yeah, shit, my memory fades as i get older.... we can allready supply that too cant we?





What im sure i really meant to ask was...

Can you imagine having your Level 8 Ecu with:

Wasted spark.
&
Closed loop fuelling control.
&
Pectel compatible serial datastream output for diagnostics.
&
Anti Lag. (ALS)



TBC.....
whats the price for L8 closed loop car has lamba on my 4x4 saff and waiting pm can you
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whats the price for L8 closed loop car has lamba on my 4x4 saff and waiting pm can you
Ł250 inc vat for up to and including dark greens.
Ł350 inc vat for bigger.

Discount available for Ex Nurburgring veterans.
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Originally Posted by 4x4 ste
I should know a LOT more on Tuesday, as i will be hopefully spending most of tomorrow playing with it all on Steve's car.... if all goes to plan at Nikola's end.
Let me know how it all goes mate im like a kid at christmas at the moment
Mildest ALS available installed and working fine. We Can achieve 0.9bar absolute at 1200rpm without the Full Penny ALS valve and using a standard throttle body. Will try teh bigger ones tomorrow but thats damn good on a T4.

Nikola is writing in some extra safety features so you cant use it on a cold engine or cook your motor when its too hot. (We can turn these off if required of course) They will hopefully be complete tomorrow.

Need to make a WS program mod to go further with Launch control testing though, but Simons ETA for that is 10am Tomorrow morning.
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Stu, did you get the delivery today mate??

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Doh missed your previous reply
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COIL ON PLUG
What mods will i need Stu
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Default Re: A question to Ford CVH and Cosworth Owners with L8 ECU's

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Originally Posted by RS500/364
whats the price for L8 closed loop car has lamba on my 4x4 saff and waiting pm can you
Ł250 inc vat for up to and including dark greens.
Ł350 inc vat for bigger.

Discount available for Ex Nurburgring veterans.
when it back and run in i will time on your waiting list and you need the car for ?
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Take it you need marum shaft in your turbo on the old garrets T34's e.t.c
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whats the price for L8 closed loop car has lamba on my 4x4 saff and waiting pm can you
Ł250 inc vat for up to and including dark greens.
Ł350 inc vat for bigger.

Discount available for Ex Nurburgring veterans.
when it back and run in i will time on your waiting list and you need the car for ?
I can post it you. Full DIY Kit with instructions and Next day delivery.
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Originally Posted by Jasesapphy
Take it you need marum shaft in your turbo on the old garrets T34's e.t.c
Not unless you go for aggressive anti lag, no.
Heat is heat, and if you keep it sensible, you will be ok in my experience.
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Originally Posted by Alg1k
COIL ON PLUG
What mods will i need Stu
New driover pal. Not yet completed, Simons on with the new software for us, but will keep you informed.
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Stu what type of cost to do ALS on a P8, i know this is a L8 thread but i own a P8, i know it capable of running it just a price guide would be good
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Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Originally Posted by Jasesapphy
Take it you need marum shaft in your turbo on the old garrets T34's e.t.c
Not unless you go for aggressive anti lag, no.
Heat is heat, and if you keep it sensible, you will be ok in my experience.
that sounds good as im sure a lot of people want anti lag but not fork out for the turbos me myself

would it be worth fitting a egr gauge to monitor the temps when anti lag is on?
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Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Originally Posted by 4x4 ste
I should know a LOT more on Tuesday, as i will be hopefully spending most of tomorrow playing with it all on Steve's car.... if all goes to plan at Nikola's end.
Let me know how it all goes mate im like a kid at christmas at the moment
Mildest ALS available installed and working fine. We Can achieve 0.9bar absolute at 1200rpm without the Full Penny ALS valve and using a standard throttle body. Will try the bigger ones tomorrow but thats damn good on a T4.

Nikola is writing in some extra safety features so you cant use it on a cold engine or cook your motor when its too hot. (We can turn these off if required of course) They will hopefully be complete tomorrow.

Need to make a WS program mod to go further with Launch control testing though, but Simons ETA for that is 10am Tomorrow morning.
Hi Stu,

First things first - I am not questioning your work for trying to start any bitching.

I seem to remember (but my memory is shit ) Mike R saying that AL wouldn’t alter the boost threshold of any given turbo, only reduce the lag.

If that statement is correct then how does a T4 do 0.9 bar at 1200 rpm ?

Defo watching this topic with interest as AL was something I originally wanted for the rush but ruled out when I decided on L8 / closed loop / coil pack etc.

Cheers,

WD
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Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Nikola is writing in some extra safety features so you cant use it on a cold engine or cook your motor when its too hot. (We can turn these off if required of course) They will hopefully be complete tomorrow.
just out of intrest stu,,, after a few mins of running my cold engine i use the als to get the water temps up
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Originally Posted by WD Pro
Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Originally Posted by 4x4 ste
I should know a LOT more on Tuesday, as i will be hopefully spending most of tomorrow playing with it all on Steve's car.... if all goes to plan at Nikola's end.
Let me know how it all goes mate im like a kid at christmas at the moment
Mildest ALS available installed and working fine. We Can achieve 0.9bar absolute at 1200rpm without the Full Penny ALS valve and using a standard throttle body. Will try the bigger ones tomorrow but thats damn good on a T4.




Nikola is writing in some extra safety features so you cant use it on a cold engine or cook your motor when its too hot. (We can turn these off if required of course) They will hopefully be complete tomorrow.

Need to make a WS program mod to go further with Launch control testing though, but Simons ETA for that is 10am Tomorrow morning.
Hi Stu,

First things first - I am not questioning your work for trying to start any bitching.

I seem to remember (but my memory is shit ) Mike R saying that AL wouldn’t alter the boost threshold of any given turbo, only reduce the lag.

If that statement is correct then how does a T4 do 0.9 bar at 1200 rpm ?

Defo watching this topic with interest as AL was something I originally wanted for the rush but ruled out when I decided on L8 / closed loop / coil pack etc.

Cheers,

WD
0.9 bar absolute - which is about -1.5psi (MINUS 1.5) on the gauge.
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Originally Posted by Rick
Originally Posted by WD Pro
Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Originally Posted by 4x4 ste
I should know a LOT more on Tuesday, as i will be hopefully spending most of tomorrow playing with it all on Steve's car.... if all goes to plan at Nikola's end.
Let me know how it all goes mate im like a kid at christmas at the moment
Mildest ALS available installed and working fine. We Can achieve 0.9bar absolute at 1200rpm without the Full Penny ALS valve and using a standard throttle body. Will try the bigger ones tomorrow but thats damn good on a T4.




Nikola is writing in some extra safety features so you cant use it on a cold engine or cook your motor when its too hot. (We can turn these off if required of course) They will hopefully be complete tomorrow.

Need to make a WS program mod to go further with Launch control testing though, but Simons ETA for that is 10am Tomorrow morning.
Hi Stu,

First things first - I am not questioning your work for trying to start any bitching.

I seem to remember (but my memory is shit ) Mike R saying that AL wouldn’t alter the boost threshold of any given turbo, only reduce the lag.

If that statement is correct then how does a T4 do 0.9 bar at 1200 rpm ?

Defo watching this topic with interest as AL was something I originally wanted for the rush but ruled out when I decided on L8 / closed loop / coil pack etc.

Cheers,

WD
0.9 bar absolute - which is about -1.5psi (MINUS 1.5) on the gauge.
Thank you
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BTTT... videos of LAUNCH CONTROL coming soon.....
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Ok, First Video is ALS.
This is activated by an On/Off dash switch.
It is shown here active at Idle, holding around 1600pm and generating, just under 1 bar absolute. Bear in mind this is on a T4 turbo and using one of our own modded ISCV's that STILL work just fine as idle valves. it is NOT using a modded throttle body or a poxy ALS weber valve that sticks and henerally act up cos they are crap.

It does of course work in a conventional manner when you change gear and has full safety programming such as time outs and temperature control in place to stopm you arming it at the wrong times.

We will be going further with this system using genuine WRC vbalves soon... but time is at a constraint at the moment, but this is a really great compromise as the vid proves.




The second clip is launch control.
This has a master overide switch installed and is then activated by a PTM switch that allows you fingertip control of teh launch. When activated on this car we have chosen 4000rpm as it is a T4 car and needs some airflow through it to make it effcetive, but we can run it at any RPM you like.

You simply floor teh pedal and hopld it there, and the wengine will come onto boost and stay there, held at the rpm level we set, aspitting and firing out generally quite offensive flames!!

You will see that it generates 10psi set as it is, but we can have up to 16 on this particular car, but it was deemed excessive due to being 2wd. Remember, this is a T4, not a little T3!!. LOL

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Holy f*ck!!!!

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Ah.. was just about to text you Steve. Thanks again for the use of your car mate.




oh, and your T4 says thanks for fuck all... MATE.
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Thats going to be fun

Hurry up with the prices Stu
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Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Ah.. was just about to text you Steve. Thanks again for the use of your car mate.




oh, and your T4 says thanks for fuck all... MATE.
No probs for use of the car mate, thanks for all your hard work achieving such awesome results

And fuck the t4 it needs showing whos boss you gotta love truck turbos
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New topic... its tidier.
https://passionford.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=270396
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that 2nd clip sounds EXACTLY what a cossie should sound like IMO

good work!!
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Originally Posted by Dave Henshall
that 2nd clip sounds EXACTLY what a cossie should sound like IMO
What, having a bad missfire at 4k rpm? Not since people have been using coilpacks mate
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ROFL

loving the flames and the bangs
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