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Old Dec 3, 2005 | 11:36 AM
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Anyone offering anything for the new St yet? i'm sure i saw someone post about one but can't find it again!
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Old Dec 3, 2005 | 11:42 AM
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I believe Pumabuild have successfully chipped the new ST, giving out 260bhp...

Nice! But still wouldn't have one...
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Old Dec 3, 2005 | 05:09 PM
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cheers matey thats the one i'd read, you'd not have one because you're an RS fan though, would you have a mk1 astra? prob not either, different stroke for different folks!
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Oh hell no, r u crazy?!?!? LOL

That thing torquesteers worse than the RS, and the oversteer is summit to piss urself laughin at....well, after u run away from its sideways path! LOL

Despite having 20 bhp more than the 2.0T Megane...the Megane is still 2 seconds quicker! LOL

Ford all the way, always been better equiped, comfortable and fun cars to drive...

I still firmly believe the RS is a better car than the ST, that's why the new one isn't worthy of the RS logo...although I love the engine, the grunt from standard is gorgeous and the tuning possibilities are endless, just like the RS...

So all in all...

1.RS
2.ST
3.Golf GTI
4.Megane Turbo
5.VXR

Just to point out, I think the VXR is the only car that's made the Stig shake his head in serious dissapointment whilst testing it!
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Originally Posted by COCHYN
I believe Pumabuild have successfully chipped the new ST, giving out 260bhp...

Nice! But still wouldn't have one...

YOU keep saying you would not have the new ST.
I think we all know that by now
each to thier own.

I like how you give it a positive before you give it your negative.
You'll get one
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Old Dec 3, 2005 | 08:47 PM
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Yes, its called not being an arogant person who thinks the ST is better in every way than the RS....just to slate RS drivers...not that I'm saying u r, I'm just making it clear that I ain't gonna lick Ford's ass for making another dog ugly car!



I give a proper point of view, a BALANCED OPINION. I hate the way it looks, its well gay and family car looks show that it doesn't have the same presence as the RS....hence why its not worthy of the badge...

But then the handeling is much better than the VXR, as that is just a pile of sheep shit IMO...not that I h8 Vauxhall, its just that I firmly believe that Ford have always built better cars...

The handeling will never be as good as the RS, even on Top Gear you could see that most of the traction was down to what kind of tyres you use on it...

As for the engine, its awsome, can't see a fault unless I bitch that Ford knicked a Volvo engine....but then again, Ford own Volvo...so
It has loads of potential, as in regards to the power figure Pumabuild have gained from just a Superchip....

It will sell, without a doubt. Perhaps better than the RS... I suppose that Ford wouldn't dare call it another Focus RS because of the amount of money they lost on the RS, because they promised something that didn't materialise....hence the axed Fiesta RS

Gonna be tough to beat the Escort Cosworth...
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by frs i meant focus rs sorry notthat shopping trolley lol. Have yo driven an ST? mines fantastic!
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The old RS v ST debate still going strong. Until you have driven both cars back to back I don't think it's fair to pick holes in the way it drives. Yes the Focus ST was slower round the Top Geat test track but it was foggy as fook so you couldn't see more than three feet in front of the car. On a good day I am sure the ST would be quicker than the Megane and even if it wasn't I know which I would be taking home and it wouldn't be the Renault.

Personally I would have the Focus RS over the ST as I consider it to be a bit more special but by no means does that make me right it's just my opinion and take on it.

The ST, I think, will sell well and be a good car for Ford and it's nice to see they are still willing to put hot Fords out. Wasn't that long ago the most sporty car they did was an Si
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bilsport in switzerland got a chip for the ST, it puts out 250hp. i think that the ST from wolf concept puts out even 300hp.

i like the new ST a lot, it`s just an awesome car! but i would rather get an RS `cause i think the focus 1 looks better than the focus 2...
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Originally Posted by COCHYN
Yes, its called not being an arogant person who thinks the ST is better in every way than the RS....just to slate RS drivers...not that I'm saying u r, I'm just making it clear that I ain't gonna lick Ford's ass for making another dog ugly car!



I give a proper point of view, a BALANCED OPINION. I hate the way it looks, its well gay and family car looks show that it doesn't have the same presence as the RS....hence why its not worthy of the badge...

But then the handeling is much better than the VXR, as that is just a pile of sheep shit IMO...not that I h8 Vauxhall, its just that I firmly believe that Ford have always built better cars...

The handeling will never be as good as the RS, even on Top Gear you could see that most of the traction was down to what kind of tyres you use on it...

As for the engine, its awsome, can't see a fault unless I bitch that Ford knicked a Volvo engine....but then again, Ford own Volvo...so
It has loads of potential, as in regards to the power figure Pumabuild have gained from just a Superchip....

It will sell, without a doubt. Perhaps better than the RS... I suppose that Ford wouldn't dare call it another Focus RS because of the amount of money they lost on the RS, because they promised something that didn't materialise....hence the axed Fiesta RS

Gonna be tough to beat the Escort Cosworth...
You keep B*tching about the ST having the Volvo engine why dont you B*tch about the RS having a Mazda developed engine?
LOSER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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wow, taking ur time to be a wankstain about balanced opinions aren't yeah! Tosser!

Read my comments clearly b4 mouthing off....DICK!
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Well as an FRS owner for the last 3 years and 25000 miles and having a ST on order I had a 25 mile test drive in the ST on Thursday, here are my thoughts.

Took the FRS up and had a decent run in the Electric Orange demo car, I did a direct comparison as I covered the test route immediately afterwards in the FRS before heading for home.
Covered A roads, B roads and round town.
First impressions, well it's better behaved around town than the RS.
Seats are very comfy and supportive.
Dash is clear and well laid out.
Clutch and steering are a bit light, didn't try and change the steering setting.
So first GLF sign in sight, 3rd gear and........what a noise, the engine is silky smooth but when revved the warble is addictive, not overly loud but just enough to put a smile on your face.
Do not expect FRS loud, it's not like that.
So up through the gears, the box is good but just lacks the feel and precision of the FRS box, might just be infamiliarity but I just found it a little bit too vague for my liking.
Overtook a few cars to test the in gear stuff and it is very good, doesn't feel as brutally fast as the FRS it's more of a progressive acceleration.
Trying to think of a way to compare the acceleration response in both of them, the only way I can think is this...
In the ST you put the foot down and it's gggrrrooowwwlll in the RS it's ROAR !
Into 6th at 70 and the car is utterly refined at cruising speeds, very comfortable and composed on the road.
You could cruise a long way in comfort.
Turned off onto a familiar B class road, this is where the compromises started to show.
Just felt a bit vague, still loads of acceleration available for the punch out of the corners and the brakes are very good, stopping the car very well.
It's just the bit inbetween, the weight of the 5 cylinder engine and steering combine to make the turn in just not as sharp as the RS.
While the steering does tell you what is going on very well, it's just not as good as the RS.
Best description would be if you ran over a 10 pence piece in the RS you could say it if was heads or tails, in the ST you'd say I think it was a coin.
They behave very differently in the corners, where the ST is a bit softer with a heavy nose, a very slight delay between steering/accelerating with a then slow lazy feeling push of acceleration, the FRS comes alive, responding instantly to any input and feeling thugishly quick through a set of tight S bends.
It was about 3 miles down the B road that I was aware that I was gripping the wheel just a bit tighter than I ever have with the RS.
I'm not saying it's bad, just that it doesn't have that utterly solid feel with tons of feedback that you get from the RS.
Which considering that overall the ST feels more solid and well built than the RS does feel a bit weird.
Back onto an A road and again the ST shone, a quick detour onto another more familiar B road just confirmed that the ST wasn't totally comfortable being thrown through tight twisty stuff.
A final A road cruise and it was time to hand it back.

So in summary it is an excellent, very refined, silky smooth car with a horny soundtrack, but FRS replacement, no.
After driving it down the B roads I just carried on, in the RS I would have turned around and driven it again.
The billion dollar question, would you trade in the RS for one?
If it was the only car I had and I needed a more practical car then yes, but I don't so no, if I had personally traded my FRS in for the ST I would have regretted it.
Some other observations, the handbrake position could have been a bit better, all the controls are well laid out and have a good feel to them.
The steering wheel is nice and tactile, with a nice soft leather feel.
Bit annoying that you have to lift the centre arm rest to put the seatbelt on as the buckle is buried underneath it, might just be me though with the seat well back, maybe with practise/familiarity it won't be an issue.
The build quality is well ahead of the original Focus.
Again might just be me but when I got out I found it a stretch to clear the side skirts, didn't notice it the first time I got out of one, but worth noting all the same.

Can't wait for mine to be delivered now.
The car is going to be an absolute belter and anyone who buys one is not going to be dissapointed (unless they've expected a direct replacement for an FRS) overall as an all rounder not a specialist RS this is the best car Ford have ever built.
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Morph wrote:


You keep B*tching about the ST having the Volvo engine why dont you B*tch about the RS having a Mazda developed engine?
LOSER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Originally Posted by COCHYN
wow, taking ur time to be a wankstain about balanced opinions aren't yeah! Tosser!

Read my comments clearly b4 mouthing off....DICK!


Now, Now COCHYN no need to be like that with that language. Morph is only putting his point across.
How can you tell on text that he's mouthing off.
I dont think he is mate.

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Now, Now COCHYN no need to be like that with that language. Morph is only putting his point across.
How can you tell on text that he's mouthing off.
I dont think he is mate.

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If your gonna bitch about my use of language, please make sure you make an equal opinion about the other knob!

Otherwise, Morph had no right to comment on shit the way he did. I'm not being a arogant prick about the ST, just so I can piss a lot of RS drivers off....but he seems to want to...

I've driven the ST, I hate the fookin' thing! But I'm NOT gonna just say that and leave it am I, instead I gave a balanced opinion about it...

Oh by the way, Morph, you'll notice I didn't bitch about the Volvo engine, just commented that I COULD be a twat and say unappropriate stuff like you!

Deal and grow up loser!
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Cochyn wrote

Yes, its called not being an arogant person who thinks the ST is better in every way than the RS....just to slate RS drivers...not that I'm saying u r, I'm just making it clear that I ain't gonna lick Ford's ass for making another dog ugly car!

Cochyn wrote,again

I still firmly believe the RS is a better car than the ST, that's why the new one isn't worthy of the RS logo...although I love the engine, the grunt from standard is gorgeous and the tuning possibilities are endless, just like the RS...

So all in all...

1.RS
2.ST
3.Golf GTI
4.Megane Turbo
5.VXR

I cant get my head round what you are talking about.
these posts above are what you have wrote on this Topic.
Are you going to make your mind up which you think is the better car, out the two.

you sound like you dont like both to me.
Im still going to buy the ST
Another thing i cant understand is,why did you drive the Focus ST if you think its another dog ugly car!

Cheer Mate. Nice and sweet.
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Christ! can't please any1 these days!

I'd rather speak the truth and get all bad points about each car out of the way, then compare both of them...simple as!

Honesty goes a long way, and I ain't gonna sit here on the computer, giving too much praise to a new car just to piss RS drivers off...

That ain't my style, and just like I said b4, I ain't gonna kiss ass just coz of arogance!

I'm only making a big deal because some ppl genuinely believe the ST is an all round better car than the RS...
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I see you like upsetting people on just about every forum you go on COCHYN!


flyingfocrs, Mike thats a cracking review mate, very nice comparison.

I think it will require a fair wedge of cash to get big gains out of the new ST, its a small turbo which is part of the manifold that is gonna be the big choking point.

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Originally Posted by COCHYN
I'm only making a big deal because some ppl genuinely believe the ST is an all round better car than the RS...
The ST is a better all-round car than the RS you daft ginger welsh pleb.

Has your half-arse RS replica cracked 3s to 60 yet?
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Has your half-arse RS replica cracked 3s to 60 yet?


Wasn't it the 1.4 that was gonna do that?

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Has your half-arse RS replica cracked 3s to 60 yet?


Wasn't it the 1.4 that was gonna do that?

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Originally Posted by COCHYN
Christ! can't please any1 these days!

I'd rather speak the truth and get all bad points about each car out of the way, then compare both of them...simple as!

Honesty goes a long way, and I ain't gonna sit here on the computer, giving too much praise to a new car just to piss RS drivers off...

That ain't my style, and just like I said b4, I ain't gonna kiss ass just coz of arogance!

I'm only making a big deal because some ppl genuinely believe the ST is an all round better car than the RS...
LOL, i cant stop laughing at this guys comments!
Howz the ratmobile going? have you managed to get hold og some tasty neons for the inside and outside yet?
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[quote="COCHYN"]Christ! can't please any1 these days!

I'd rather speak the truth and get all bad points about each car out of the way, then compare both of them...simple as!

Honesty goes a long way, and I ain't gonna sit here on the computer, giving too much praise to a new car just to piss RS drivers off...


Cochyn wrote

A/ Yes, its called not being an arogant person who thinks the ST is better in every way than the RS....just to slate RS drivers...not that I'm saying u r, I'm just making it clear that I ain't gonna lick Ford's ass for making another dog ugly car!

Cochyn wrote,again

B/ I still firmly believe the RS is a better car than the ST, that's why the new one isn't worthy of the RS logo...although I love the engine, the grunt from standard is gorgeous and the tuning possibilities are endless, just like the RS...

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All im going to say is if you speak the truth which point are you going to stick to as thier both completely different .A or B
Nothing wrong with both cars mate. stick to yours its better than the ST and RS put together.

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[quote="borgie"]
Originally Posted by COCHYN
Christ! can't please any1 these days!

I'd rather speak the truth and get all bad points about each car out of the way, then compare both of them...simple as!

Honesty goes a long way, and I ain't gonna sit here on the computer, giving too much praise to a new car just to piss RS drivers off...


Cochyn wrote

A/ Yes, its called not being an arogant person who thinks the ST is better in every way than the RS....just to slate RS drivers...not that I'm saying u r, I'm just making it clear that I ain't gonna lick Ford's ass for making another dog ugly car!

Cochyn wrote,again

B/ I still firmly believe the RS is a better car than the ST, that's why the new one isn't worthy of the RS logo...although I love the engine, the grunt from standard is gorgeous and the tuning possibilities are endless, just like the RS...

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All im going to say is if you speak the truth which point are you going to stick to as thier both completely different .A or B
Nothing wrong with both cars mate. stick to yours its better than the ST and RS put together.

Borgie
Yes stick to your Flying Escort/focus RS engined monster that does 0-100 in 6 secs when you are dreaming mate!!!
maybe we should ask EVO mag to do a back to back ST V's Cochyns monster? what do you reckon EVO would say?
Something like....is the guy a CHAV?
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Now for the people that know me, you will all know it takes quite a bit to get me worked up but sorry I have to say this to at least stop the cycle, COCHYN chap you really do make me laugh for the following reasons.

1) You talk such utter bollocks I spend more time laughing at your posts than I do agreeing with them. If you don’t actually know, then shut the fuck up, stop pretending to billy big balls and making yourself look like a total chav prick.

2) You go on about cars which i) You have never owned ii) Never driven and iii) have absolutely no idea about. Lets just get this clear, you have a Focus RS REPLICA it is not a FRS, never will be a FRS and even in your wildest dreams where the fat hairy Welsh Godfairy turned up and waved her wand it will NEVER be a Focus RS. And no matter how much you sit masturbating infront of your PC saying "Yeah I got the worlds only Black FRS". No its a 1.4 with a FRS engine with seriously queer kit and lights.

3) You caused me and the Fordsport lot a tonne of hassle, so, we all naturally think your a cock, but yet for some reason that we can't fathom you keep coming back and going on about stupid power audis and cougars that don’t fucking exist, or if they do, they have owners that lie to you about their power and your such a tit you believe them when even a 12 year old with a basic knowledge of cars would tell you its all bull shit.

4) You are so over defensive about everything and the posts you put up are so child like you can’t help but come across as an arrogant prick. BUT when you actually get face to face with someone (Ie the fordsport boss who basicly wanted to say what he thinks of you) you run off!

5) Your technical knowlage basicly stems from pimpin the pumabuild catalague.

So do us all a favour, fuck off go to your local Maccy D's and tell the Chav scum in your carpark your cars the bolloks and can do warp 1000 and beat 400bhp quatros. As they are the only people that may actually believe you. Where on here, where the big boys play, we all just think your a cock.

OR failing that, stop mouthing off about things you haven’t a clue about, at lest that would be a start.
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Originally Posted by Stu @ Fordsport
Now for the people that know me, you will all know it takes quite a bit to get me worked up but sorry I have to say this to at least stop the cycle, COCHYN chap you really do make me laugh for the following reasons.

1) You talk such utter bollocks I spend more time laughing at your posts than I do agreeing with them. If you don’t actually know, then shut the fuck up, stop pretending to billy big balls and making yourself look like a total chav prick.

2) You go on about cars which i) You have never owned ii) Never driven and iii) have absolutely no idea about. Lets just get this clear, you have a Focus RS REPLICA it is not a FRS, never will be a FRS and even in your wildest dreams where the fat hairy Welsh Godfairy turned up and waved her wand it will NEVER be a Focus RS. And no matter how much you sit masturbating infront of your PC saying "Yeah I got the worlds only Black FRS". No its a 1.4 with a FRS engine with seriously queer kit and lights.

3) You caused me and the Fordsport lot a tonne of hassle, so, we all naturally think your a cock, but yet for some reason that we can't fathom you keep coming back and going on about stupid power audis and cougars that don’t fucking exist, or if they do, they have owners that lie to you about their power and your such a tit you believe them when even a 12 year old with a basic knowledge of cars would tell you its all bull shit.

4) You are so over defensive about everything and the posts you put up are so child like you can’t help but come across as an arrogant prick. BUT when you actually get face to face with someone (Ie the fordsport boss who basicly wanted to say what he thinks of you) you run off!

5) Your technical knowlage basicly stems from pimpin the pumabuild catalague.

So do us all a favour, fuck off go to your local Maccy D's and tell the Chav scum in your carpark your cars the bolloks and can do warp 1000 and beat 400bhp quatros. As they are the only people that may actually believe you. Where on here, where the big boys play, we all just think your a cock.

OR failing that, stop mouthing off about things you haven’t a clue about, at lest that would be a start.
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Its all so true as well - just Ban him from Fordsport - It wouldnt be the first one he'd been banned from!

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i got a new st focus and may b calling pumaspeed sn then,and i think it a gr8 car,noise fae engine is immense! ma m8 got 265bhp focus rs tho and i nd 2 smoke his ass!
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Originally Posted by Stu @ Fordsport
Now for the people that know me, you will all know it takes quite a bit to get me worked up but sorry I have to say this to at least stop the cycle, COCHYN chap you really do make me laugh for the following reasons.

1) You talk such utter bollocks I spend more time laughing at your posts than I do agreeing with them. If you don’t actually know, then shut the fuck up, stop pretending to billy big balls and making yourself look like a total chav prick.

2) You go on about cars which i) You have never owned ii) Never driven and iii) have absolutely no idea about. Lets just get this clear, you have a Focus RS REPLICA it is not a FRS, never will be a FRS and even in your wildest dreams where the fat hairy Welsh Godfairy turned up and waved her wand it will NEVER be a Focus RS. And no matter how much you sit masturbating infront of your PC saying "Yeah I got the worlds only Black FRS". No its a 1.4 with a FRS engine with seriously queer kit and lights.

3) You caused me and the Fordsport lot a tonne of hassle, so, we all naturally think your a cock, but yet for some reason that we can't fathom you keep coming back and going on about stupid power audis and cougars that don’t fucking exist, or if they do, they have owners that lie to you about their power and your such a tit you believe them when even a 12 year old with a basic knowledge of cars would tell you its all bull shit.

4) You are so over defensive about everything and the posts you put up are so child like you can’t help but come across as an arrogant prick. BUT when you actually get face to face with someone (Ie the fordsport boss who basicly wanted to say what he thinks of you) you run off!

5) Your technical knowlage basicly stems from pimpin the pumabuild catalague.

So do us all a favour, fuck off go to your local Maccy D's and tell the Chav scum in your carpark your cars the bolloks and can do warp 1000 and beat 400bhp quatros. As they are the only people that may actually believe you. Where on here, where the big boys play, we all just think your a cock.

OR failing that, stop mouthing off about things you haven’t a clue about, at lest that would be a start.
This is exactly what i was thinking but couldn't be asked to waste my energy writning wbout this sad deluded 17year old chav boy from wales!
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Old Dec 15, 2005 | 09:04 PM
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He's fully rubbed my brother up!!

Its funny to read though.

FRS owner

Clayton Borg
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Old Dec 17, 2005 | 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by T4KAF
i got a new st focus and may b calling pumaspeed sn then,and i think it a gr8 car,noise fae engine is immense! ma m8 got 265bhp focus rs tho and i nd 2 smoke his ass!
And in English
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Old Jan 1, 2006 | 05:47 PM
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Man, i am wetting myself. All you ever hear is dribble, sorry but it takes me alot as well to get wound up
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Old Jan 1, 2006 | 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by scoop
Man, i am wetting myself. All you ever hear is dribble, sorry but it takes me alot as well to get wound up
What exactly are you referring to Scoop?

Rich
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Old Jan 2, 2006 | 07:08 AM
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Well i'm not going to enter the discussion, which car is better, the new ST or the RS.
As the ST in the only one being on the new car market over here in Holland.. I'm getting e new one today....
But one question, is there a chip to boost up the 225HP, and will it do anything on engine warranty?
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Old Jan 2, 2006 | 10:31 AM
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Anything that deviates from the production cars settings will have a negative effect on the warantee. I'm sure things will be on the market in the coming months though to release the potential from the car
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Old Jan 9, 2006 | 04:09 PM
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I owned a FRS and have test drove the new ST .., BUT i went back to the best car Ford ever produced ESCORT RS COSWORTH...10 Years on and still AWESOME. KICK aRSe
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Old Feb 5, 2006 | 09:47 PM
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volvo tuning www.volvotuning.co.uk are doing a 260 bhp upgrade to the ecu
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