DVLA TO STOP US MODDING OUR MOTORS!!! THIS AFFECTS YOU ALL!!
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DVLA TO STOP US MODDING OUR MOTORS!!! THIS AFFECTS YOU ALL!!
in this months classic ford, there is an article detailing the DVLA's new plans to strictly monitor and inspect what they refer to as 'altered vehichles' 
the new legislation involves the possibility of us guys n dolls needin to put our modded rides through an expensive super-mot to ensure saftey of our mods!!!! they are also proposing to make it very difficult for us to retain the original car registration with modifications, meaning we get bumped to a Q plate!!!!
the issue is laid down more accuratly in CF but u get the script, now the important bit, u can help!!!!
im gonna copy the letter CF have provided so all u have to do is print it off, sign it and send to the ballbag whos behind all this.
SO WHOS WANTIN A PM WITH THE LETTER IN????????????????????????????????
the new legislation involves the possibility of us guys n dolls needin to put our modded rides through an expensive super-mot to ensure saftey of our mods!!!! they are also proposing to make it very difficult for us to retain the original car registration with modifications, meaning we get bumped to a Q plate!!!!
the issue is laid down more accuratly in CF but u get the script, now the important bit, u can help!!!!
im gonna copy the letter CF have provided so all u have to do is print it off, sign it and send to the ballbag whos behind all this.
SO WHOS WANTIN A PM WITH THE LETTER IN????????????????????????????????
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cant you post the letter up here? if not pm me a copy 
This subject comes up from the government every few months, for the last well since the 90s, not much happens, but one day they may succed
This subject comes up from the government every few months, for the last well since the 90s, not much happens, but one day they may succed
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cant you post the letter up here? if not pm me a copy
This subject comes up from the government every few months, for the last well since the 90s, not much happens, but one day they may succed
This subject comes up from the government every few months, for the last well since the 90s, not much happens, but one day they may succed
should get it copied today!!!!
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Originally Posted by MWF
To be honest I kind of support it, I don't fancy some saxo with 4" wheel spacers crashing into me.
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Originally Posted by rsnissan
Originally Posted by MWF
To be honest I kind of support it, I don't fancy some saxo with 4" wheel spacers crashing into me.
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To be honest I kind of support it, I don't fancy some saxo with 4" wheel spacers crashing into me.
Hope my Cossie mk1 will be ok 
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By the way, for those who cant read and are panicking, its NOT saying they will ban them, just that they will want to inspect them to make sure they are up to road worthy standard, which the normal MOT doesnt as it covers only condition of parts and NOT their suitability for the task etc.
I actually support the principle, although no doubt it will be badly implemented!
I actually support the principle, although no doubt it will be badly implemented!
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at the end of the day though, its saying all you need to do is declare your mods (which you should have done anyway)...
if everyone was to decalre their mods the prices of insurnace etc would level out anyway...
its too much of an effort for them to put this law into play anyway, especially whe they really should be concentrating on those without any insurance at all
if everyone was to decalre their mods the prices of insurnace etc would level out anyway...
its too much of an effort for them to put this law into play anyway, especially whe they really should be concentrating on those without any insurance at all
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By the way, for those who cant read and are panicking, its NOT saying they will ban them, just that they will want to inspect them to make sure they are up to road worthy standard, which the normal MOT doesnt as it covers only condition of parts and NOT their suitability for the task etc.
I actually support the principle, although no doubt it will be badly implemented!
I actually support the principle, although no doubt it will be badly implemented!
42. The point system is weighted as follows; the original or new (direct replacement from the manufacturer) unmodified chassis/monocoque bodyshell has a value of 5, the suspension (front and back) 2, axles (both) 2, transmission 2, steering assembly 2, engine 1.
43. If the original registration mark is retained, the vehicle registration document is amended to record the vehicle’s new description but SVA is not required. If the vehicle is assessed as being a different vehicle the only option is to allocate a Q registration mark and the vehicle will be subject to one of the following depending on the vehicle category:
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Only a reg plate at the end of the day, not like saying you cant have the car anymore, couldnt care less if i have to change my nova to being a Q plate really, small price to pay if it means the removal of a load of unsafe shitters from the raod.
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I think the Q plate issue is more a concern for those with cars that they want to retain their value.
Perhaps if they did start issuing them widespread though, values would cease to be severely affected and they wouldn't be so hard to insure because if it did have the Q plate, then it must have been certified as a safe vehicle.
Perhaps if they did start issuing them widespread though, values would cease to be severely affected and they wouldn't be so hard to insure because if it did have the Q plate, then it must have been certified as a safe vehicle.
Originally Posted by chip-3door
Only a reg plate at the end of the day, not like saying you cant have the car anymore, couldnt care less if i have to change my nova to being a Q plate really, small price to pay if it means the removal of a load of unsafe shitters from the raod.
Originally Posted by BlueSmoke
I think the Q plate issue is more a concern for those with cars that they want to retain their value.
Perhaps if they did start issuing them widespread though, values would cease to be severely affected and they wouldn't be so hard to insure because if it did have the Q plate, then it must have been certified as a safe vehicle.
Perhaps if they did start issuing them widespread though, values would cease to be severely affected and they wouldn't be so hard to insure because if it did have the Q plate, then it must have been certified as a safe vehicle.
Bit like getting owning a Gartrac etc
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Im too blind to see what relevance a number plate or logbook has to wether or not i would enjoy driving a car, and i value cars on how much i would enjoy owning them personally, so to me if all my cars had q plates or z plates or plates starting with a "@" sign i couldnt care less, as i cant see the number plate when im driving it anyway.
I've never been able to understand the whole "q plate = worthless" mentality
As Jay says, it might actaully stop all that ridiculousness to a certain extent.
I've never been able to understand the whole "q plate = worthless" mentality
As Jay says, it might actaully stop all that ridiculousness to a certain extent.
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Well it don't seem that bad tbh. Infact I quite like the idea, as whoknows how many shonky mods there are out there that are safe that arn't tested in the MOT?
I think rather than trying to oppose the move, how about supporting it and giving some important feedback?
Reading the information the the DVLA site it looks like that its been dreamed up by muppets. What the hell is changing the plate going to achieve?
What I would really like to know is what these tests are in more detail.
I think rather than trying to oppose the move, how about supporting it and giving some important feedback?
Reading the information the the DVLA site it looks like that its been dreamed up by muppets. What the hell is changing the plate going to achieve?
What I would really like to know is what these tests are in more detail.
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Indeed, my first reaction was "no way!" but as you can see above, after thinking about it I can deffo see the logic in the whole idea. Nobody is going to stop you driving your Cossie'd mk1/2 if it's been put together properly at the end of the day.
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Right now I'm writing a long letter to the DVLA about the questions they have on the link RSnissan put up.
Feedback welcome
Dear Sirs/Madams
RE: Review of the Vehicle Inspection Procedures of the Driver & Vehicle Licensing Agency and Driver Licensing for Radically Altered Vehicles
I am writing to you today concerning documentation on your website that was recently brought to my attention pertaining to Radically Altered Vehicles.
Its seems a large group of the motor enthusiast/modifier/tuner community is in a bit of an uproar about this proposed change. But mainly this is due to a lack of understanding of the proposed system. But what may surprise you there is a growing number that actually support the proposed changes. To quote from an Enthusiasts website on which this topic “To be honest I kind of support it, I don't fancy some Saxo with 4" wheel spacers crashing into me.”
What does seem to be the main concern about these changes however is the implementation of these tests. The motoring community still feels that it is one of the most under represented groups in government affairs and usually when some new legislation is introduced its overly complex, to vague for accurate interpretation and fails to cover the main issues its is trying to resolve.
For example, what purpose has changing the plate on a modified vehicle got to do with its road worthiness / safety? What does it achieve other than advertise the fact that it is a non standard vehicle and make it more enticing to thieves? Why foot the extra cost of having to change the records for the vehicle registration in the first place?
These are the sort of issues that need to be brought up, and if I can suggest, not by a DVLA think tank, (having worked in one for the Teacher Training Agency I know only to well how out of touch these can be) but rather from a selected group of people that represent all interests pertaining to modified vehicles.
But these are issues that can be dealt with later. I would first like to go though the main questions that are raised on your website.
i) Does the current system meet its objective?
What worries me about these proposed changes is that the MOT is a test that’s meant to determine the general road safety and worthiness of a vehicle. If a separate tests needs to be introduced what does this imply about the current MOT procedure? Surely if the MOT is not comprehensive enough to work out the cars overall safety with or without modifications then surely it needs reviewing to determine its effectiveness as a roadworthiness test.
RE: Review of the Vehicle Inspection Procedures of the Driver & Vehicle Licensing Agency and Driver Licensing for Radically Altered Vehicles
I am writing to you today concerning documentation on your website that was recently brought to my attention pertaining to Radically Altered Vehicles.
Its seems a large group of the motor enthusiast/modifier/tuner community is in a bit of an uproar about this proposed change. But mainly this is due to a lack of understanding of the proposed system. But what may surprise you there is a growing number that actually support the proposed changes. To quote from an Enthusiasts website on which this topic “To be honest I kind of support it, I don't fancy some Saxo with 4" wheel spacers crashing into me.”
What does seem to be the main concern about these changes however is the implementation of these tests. The motoring community still feels that it is one of the most under represented groups in government affairs and usually when some new legislation is introduced its overly complex, to vague for accurate interpretation and fails to cover the main issues its is trying to resolve.
For example, what purpose has changing the plate on a modified vehicle got to do with its road worthiness / safety? What does it achieve other than advertise the fact that it is a non standard vehicle and make it more enticing to thieves? Why foot the extra cost of having to change the records for the vehicle registration in the first place?
These are the sort of issues that need to be brought up, and if I can suggest, not by a DVLA think tank, (having worked in one for the Teacher Training Agency I know only to well how out of touch these can be) but rather from a selected group of people that represent all interests pertaining to modified vehicles.
But these are issues that can be dealt with later. I would first like to go though the main questions that are raised on your website.
i) Does the current system meet its objective?
What worries me about these proposed changes is that the MOT is a test that’s meant to determine the general road safety and worthiness of a vehicle. If a separate tests needs to be introduced what does this imply about the current MOT procedure? Surely if the MOT is not comprehensive enough to work out the cars overall safety with or without modifications then surely it needs reviewing to determine its effectiveness as a roadworthiness test.
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the principal of trying to ensure safer cars on the road is great, in theory. but as mentioned it simply wont be implemented in the corect manor!! 
remember we, as car enthusiasts are the bad guys!!!!!! wether we deserve it, like it or not, we are.
remember we, as car enthusiasts are the bad guys!!!!!! wether we deserve it, like it or not, we are.
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Originally Posted by Stu @ Fordsport
Right now I'm writing a long letter to the DVLA about the questions they have on the link RSnissan put up.
Feedback welcome
Dear Sirs/Madams
RE: Review of the Vehicle Inspection Procedures of the Driver & Vehicle Licensing Agency and Driver Licensing for Radically Altered Vehicles
I am writing to you today concerning documentation on your website that was recently brought to my attention pertaining to Radically Altered Vehicles.
Its seems a large group of the motor enthusiast/modifier/tuner community is in a bit of an uproar about this proposed change. But mainly this is due to a lack of understanding of the proposed system. But what may surprise you there is a growing number that actually support the proposed changes. To quote from an Enthusiasts website on which this topic “To be honest I kind of support it, I don't fancy some Saxo with 4" wheel spacers crashing into me.”
What does seem to be the main concern about these changes however is the implementation of these tests. The motoring community still feels that it is one of the most under represented groups in government affairs and usually when some new legislation is introduced its overly complex, to vague for accurate interpretation and fails to cover the main issues its is trying to resolve.
For example, what purpose has changing the plate on a modified vehicle got to do with its road worthiness / safety? What does it achieve other than advertise the fact that it is a non standard vehicle and make it more enticing to thieves? Why foot the extra cost of having to change the records for the vehicle registration in the first place?
These are the sort of issues that need to be brought up, and if I can suggest, not by a DVLA think tank, (having worked in one for the Teacher Training Agency I know only to well how out of touch these can be) but rather from a selected group of people that represent all interests pertaining to modified vehicles.
But these are issues that can be dealt with later. I would first like to go though the main questions that are raised on your website.
i) Does the current system meet its objective?
What worries me about these proposed changes is that the MOT is a test that’s meant to determine the general road safety and worthiness of a vehicle. If a separate tests needs to be introduced what does this imply about the current MOT procedure? Surely if the MOT is not comprehensive enough to work out the cars overall safety with or without modifications then surely it needs reviewing to determine its effectiveness as a roadworthiness test.
RE: Review of the Vehicle Inspection Procedures of the Driver & Vehicle Licensing Agency and Driver Licensing for Radically Altered Vehicles
I am writing to you today concerning documentation on your website that was recently brought to my attention pertaining to Radically Altered Vehicles.
Its seems a large group of the motor enthusiast/modifier/tuner community is in a bit of an uproar about this proposed change. But mainly this is due to a lack of understanding of the proposed system. But what may surprise you there is a growing number that actually support the proposed changes. To quote from an Enthusiasts website on which this topic “To be honest I kind of support it, I don't fancy some Saxo with 4" wheel spacers crashing into me.”
What does seem to be the main concern about these changes however is the implementation of these tests. The motoring community still feels that it is one of the most under represented groups in government affairs and usually when some new legislation is introduced its overly complex, to vague for accurate interpretation and fails to cover the main issues its is trying to resolve.
For example, what purpose has changing the plate on a modified vehicle got to do with its road worthiness / safety? What does it achieve other than advertise the fact that it is a non standard vehicle and make it more enticing to thieves? Why foot the extra cost of having to change the records for the vehicle registration in the first place?
These are the sort of issues that need to be brought up, and if I can suggest, not by a DVLA think tank, (having worked in one for the Teacher Training Agency I know only to well how out of touch these can be) but rather from a selected group of people that represent all interests pertaining to modified vehicles.
But these are issues that can be dealt with later. I would first like to go though the main questions that are raised on your website.
i) Does the current system meet its objective?
What worries me about these proposed changes is that the MOT is a test that’s meant to determine the general road safety and worthiness of a vehicle. If a separate tests needs to be introduced what does this imply about the current MOT procedure? Surely if the MOT is not comprehensive enough to work out the cars overall safety with or without modifications then surely it needs reviewing to determine its effectiveness as a roadworthiness test.
il still be sending the CF one tho too!!!
For example, what purpose has changing the plate on a modified car got to do with its road worthiness / safety? What does it achieve other than advertise the fact that it’s a non standard and make it more enticing to thieves? Why foot the extra cost of having to change the records for the cars registration in the first place?
This has been explained to you already in that link. It gets to the stage where the car is no longer the car it was registered originally a bit like triggers broom
This has been explained to you already in that link. It gets to the stage where the car is no longer the car it was registered originally a bit like triggers broom
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before anyone sends in letters extolling the virtues of this proposed scheme ask yourself one question.
q: do i trust any of this governments depts or agencies to implement anything fair or resonable. especially at a none prohibitive cost.?
q: do i trust any of this governments depts or agencies to implement anything fair or resonable. especially at a none prohibitive cost.?
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I cant see how this is a bad thing to be honest. A car like dingys mk2 cossie which has had no expense spared and is properly built and maintained is a great example but how many are genuinely done like this and how many are bodged?
As said who wants any car crashing into them and causing damage to the motor or person inside cause some twat who `knows all about cars like` has bodged wheels designed for another fitment onto the car or lowered it that much the sump scrapes the ground and starts to leak, you drive behind hit the oil and crash your motor.
The only people with anything to worry about are the ones who will bodge the motor in the first place.
Chiz, you are reading what you want to read into it. Why not look at the link posted, look at stus letter and write yourself a well worded letter to them advising why you think it wont work. So your understanding and concerns, not just a "this is shit, wont work, blairs a wanker` type of reply.
As said who wants any car crashing into them and causing damage to the motor or person inside cause some twat who `knows all about cars like` has bodged wheels designed for another fitment onto the car or lowered it that much the sump scrapes the ground and starts to leak, you drive behind hit the oil and crash your motor.
The only people with anything to worry about are the ones who will bodge the motor in the first place.
Chiz, you are reading what you want to read into it. Why not look at the link posted, look at stus letter and write yourself a well worded letter to them advising why you think it wont work. So your understanding and concerns, not just a "this is shit, wont work, blairs a wanker` type of reply.
Originally Posted by chiz
the principal of trying to ensure safer cars on the road is great, in theory. but as mentioned it simply wont be implemented in the corect manor!!
remember we, as car enthusiasts are the bad guys!!!!!! wether we deserve it, like it or not, we are.
remember we, as car enthusiasts are the bad guys!!!!!! wether we deserve it, like it or not, we are.
45. The objective of the inspection for this category of vehicle is to establish if the radically altered vehicle contains enough of the original vehicle to retain the original registration mark.
It’s not to do with safety or road worthiness in the main.... that’s what an MOT if for.
All it says is if the vehicle is radically modified (going by the point system) then it’s no longer the original car. Basically its drawing the line between the car that left the factory and an amalgamation of parts. If its has enough changes to the original car then it will lose its original identity and be given a Q plate as there wont be enough of the original car left..............remember a shell is not a whole car
I don’t think there is anything to worry about lots of cars get a Q plate but people seem to think associate it with bad scenarios ALL the time which is not necessarily the case in all situations.
BTW my comments only apply to the link i posted up, not sure if it is infact the same as the one you heard about
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Originally Posted by tonyk
I cant see how this is a bad thing to be honest. A car like dingys mk2 cossie which has had no expense spared and is properly built and maintained is a great example but how many are genuinely done like this and how many are bodged?
As said who wants any car crashing into them and causing damage to the motor or person inside cause some twat who `knows all about cars like` has bodged wheels designed for another fitment onto the car or lowered it that much the sump scrapes the ground and starts to leak, you drive behind hit the oil and crash your motor.
The only people with anything to worry about are the ones who will bodge the motor in the first place.
Chiz, you are reading what you want to read into it. Why not look at the link posted, look at stus letter and write yourself a well worded letter to them advising why you think it wont work. So your understanding and concerns, not just a "this is shit, wont work, blairs a wanker` type of reply.
As said who wants any car crashing into them and causing damage to the motor or person inside cause some twat who `knows all about cars like` has bodged wheels designed for another fitment onto the car or lowered it that much the sump scrapes the ground and starts to leak, you drive behind hit the oil and crash your motor.
The only people with anything to worry about are the ones who will bodge the motor in the first place.
Chiz, you are reading what you want to read into it. Why not look at the link posted, look at stus letter and write yourself a well worded letter to them advising why you think it wont work. So your understanding and concerns, not just a "this is shit, wont work, blairs a wanker` type of reply.
cars such as this one which have been professionally built with no expense spared etc are all well n good, the car will be quality and the person who paid the thousands of pounds to have it built wont think twice bout the cost of putting it through tests in order to get it on the road.
but what about people like myself, my dad and many many others, who build there cars and everything for them by themselves. we cannot afford to pay the price for sumone to build the car for us, or to purchase bespoke parts from various suppliers, nor do we wish too.
this potential extra cost is a worry for people like us.
