Away to go to stage 3 next month on my 4x4 sapph.

At the moment sticking with my hybrid T3 rather than going for a T34.

What advantages would i gain out of a T34 considering im not a big fan of lag.

Already costing me quite a bit so really dont wanna part with £600 more for a new turbo if im only gonna get a slight advantage.

What difference does a T34 make to the driving experience ???

I did post a similair post last week but gonna make a decison today so would love some last minute input

 

If you are going for a chip then you need to get a new chip if you swap to t34.

T3 @ stage3 is ok from a driving point of view and makes over 300bhp easy, but it tends to knacker the turbo quickly.

 

Cheers chip.
Will be getting a new chip either way. Got it booked in at MSD next month.

Anyone else got more input ??

 

Personally i would do the T3 Greens, etc.. first, as it give's a good power and
torque increase, plus its less stress on the engine. More reliable too..

Al......

 

might be less stress on the engine, but more stress on the turbo if you're running 25psi.

T34 is what i would used (infact i use one on my stage 1 engine).

 

I'd go for T34, hardly any extra lag really, and you can always run it at slightly lower boost if you are worried about the engine, and the turbo will last forever like that.

Plus if you want to go for bigger injectors you can

 

Good point....

Is it not 20 - 22 psi on Greens,T3 etc.. for stage 3 tho ??

Al...

 

.63 is actually less stressfull on the engine than the .48 T3 and makes more BHP with virtually the same cylinder pressure and in some cases less

 

As in my PM stu.

If i find a T34 with .63 what else do i need to get it onto my saphh 4x4 ???

There is a couple of turbos on here i am considering but wouldnt mind getting a brand new/ reconditioned one.

Any good companies traders that have em ???

 

Trade price from ford is 550 IIRC for a standard T34 (.48)

 

Chip, I disagree, I run a T3 in the 4x4 and T34 in the 2wd, there is quite a difference between the two.

Mind you that could be down to the different chips, not the fact that one's stage 1 (T3) and the other stage 3 (T34), but the fact that they were made by completely different companies, and are quite old too - it may be possible to get less lag out of the T34 with more up to date management

 

There IS more lag on an equally setup T34, but you are only talking a couple of hundred more rpm.

 

IIRC ?? Can you get them direct from ford ?

Tel. no. ? Website ?

 

Ford never made a T34.48. the ones on the Escort Cossies are T34.63's iirc.

 

Oh are they .63? thats weird, could have sworn they were .48, thanks for correcting me.

IIRC = if i recall correctly

 

How do i go about getting one from ford ? Just phone my local ford parts and ask??

 

You will need to find someone who gets trade price, retail is about a grand.

Or someone off here must do them at more or less trade price?

 

A t3 wont make 300plus EASY!!!!!....

T34.63 or T35 on the escos......the .48 is a hybrid...very good too my stage 3 sported one and gave good spool up time although power does drop off noticably at the top...so if you are a rev freak go .63 but the lag is higher.

 

Please dont buy an Escos one as they dont run the 360 degree bearing...go to Universal turbos and get the T34 .63 then you can run no dumpvalve

 

Obviously very convervative rollers near your phyllis, ive yet to see a stage 3 T3 cossie make under 300bhp peak.

 

I said it wont make it easy due to having to cane the turbo.

 

I want have and want a dump valve lol

Prefer less lag to high revs

All these options

 

big turbo Escos turbo's do run t34 with .63 hsing as standard

m8's got a .48 hsing and my saf runs a .63 both on 803's etc and theres a fair bit of difference on low speeds accelaration but NOT so much on running from 70-100+ mph

BUT I recon it all depends on who's driving and what style

 

yes chip, iirc = i i recall correctly

 

So whos quicker on the low speeds ??? .63 or .48 ??
Are they both sapphs ??

 

Phil, as i said in my post, the turbo wont last long, but its easy to get that power from it, i think you misunderstood what i meant by easy.

 

[so whos quicker on the low speeds ??? .63 or .48 ??[/quote]


.48 is @ low speeds he pulls about 1/2 to a cars length up to about a 80-100 after that mine does pull alot harder and leaves it big style on high speeds

both saff

 

Stonehavencossie....got to Universal Turbos and get a T34 .48 it will make around 340bhp with your dumpvalve go like stink and be mucho fun...if you dont want lag avoid the T34 .63 imo.

 

Think i will go for the T 34 .48
Will make a final decision tommorrow.

If i do i just hope my engine will be ok with the extra power

 

just done the change on my 4x4 ... get a .63 t34 ... trust me the difference is very noticable ... and as for lag .. i got one of stu's chips .. and i can honestly say if driven correctly i have yet to find any noticable lag and thats at 20 psi

so get ya wallet out ...

 

Choices choices !!!

.48 T34 is looking a lot cheaper tho. Where did you get your turbo from?

 

took the words from out of my mouth! and I have driven with both .48 and .63 and I changed so currently run both my Cossies with .63's!

BUT it is YOUR choice @ the end of the day

 

Universal Turbos

T34 .48 £628
T34 .63 £742

Not a lot of difference

I dont know what to do

 

My std T3 is running 22psi for around 330bhp on me 4x4 saff, and I have no probs whatsoever

 

i run a .48 and tbh its laggy anyway , BUT the cars soooo mch stronger higher up the rev range and tbh i would never change back i dont think

 

Are those prices with a 360 degree bearing?

 

sounds like an optimistic rolling road!

 

See thats what is making me think just leave it for now.

My curent T3 is only a couple of years old and has only dont about 15k.

If putting green, 3bar and stage 3 chip on it still produces 330bhp like churchy i would be happy.

See what everone is saying about the turbo going quicker. But, i only do 5k miles a year so even if i got 20k out of the T3 thats 4 years.

Not gonna start crying if goes round about that mark?

Anyone know how long T3's last under stage 3 ???

 

I dunno.

You will have to enlighten me on what a 360 degree bearing is and what advantages it would give me.

I will phone them tommorrow and find out.

 

agree with chip, usually at that boost too its around 310bhp

mind i cant talk a i got 2 r/r prints for 352 and 350bhp

but when i got it the car was running 19psi

now im running 26psi i aint got a clue what ive got but i know theres not enough fuel left at the top end