Just heard the govs considering a pay as you drive scheme instead of road tax... What a load off BALLS.

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https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/560867

 

I think that would suit me better than road tax.

 

As long as they remove ALL other motoring related taxes and introduce a fair system there is no problem.

Considering the huge taxes on fuel, insurance, and all things motoring, a fair system should be a benefit for many.

A dirty corrupt system however would not.

 

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It's inevitable sadly. They've got to make up for the fuel revenue they'll lose as more and more people adopt EVs.

 

Which is why even a decade or two ago I was saying they need to abolish all motoring related taxes, and just increase income tax.

Motorists should not be relied on to fund the running of the country.

 

I don’t like the black box idea to track mileage but I do think it would be better road tax was scrapped and added to fuel. That way no one could get out of paying it.

As a plus side it would make it better for those of us with multiple cars too.

 

Except adding it to fuel....falls apart for EV's, which is the crux of their problem now. It's much harder to tax electricity used solely for vehicle use. And black box...not a chance.

Fuel alone is already specifically and heavily taxed. That must change.

 

Fair point. Like you said earlier then surely increasing income tax is the way. Rather than hitting the motorist so hard.

I wouldn’t be surprised if there isn’t some massive tax added to EV’s anyway and still carry on the way they are though.

 

they won't want to do that until they become more mainstream and prices come down.

Income tax is simple and a no brainer really. Abolish fuel duties, increase income tax. It's so simple and all round would help individuals and industry that relies on transport.

And then they never need to concern themselves with what people are driving or are not driving in terms of extorting money from them

 

So everyone pays more income tax even if they don't drive?
And it doesn't matter what you drive the cost is thd same?
And the more you earn the more tax you pay?

 

When the vast majority of the revenue raised goes to funding the running of the country....yes, of course everyone should pay even if they do not drive. They still avail of services where driving matters. ie. the food on their table, the clothes on their back, every single thing they consume.

And why should it matter what you drive ?

And of course, the more you earn the more you pay. That's how it has always worked unless you're the mega rich who can dodge it.

 

Sounds like a worse system to me!
At least with the fuel duty now you pay for the miles your doing not the miles someone else is doing!
Why should someone that doesn't drive pay so I can do more miles?
Driving isn't a right or a public service.... Its a priveledge you have to pay for if you choose to do it.
And you don't have to be super rich to avoid tax.... The self employed have been doing it for years

 

How's it worse ? ALL the people of the country will be contributing, not just the motorists. So the financial burden should be less. There is a huge disproportionate financial burden placed onto motorists, with very little of that money going back to transport.

And regardless, anyone driving will still always be paying the more they do....because one way or another they need to fuel their vehicles. That still costs money unless they can make it free.

Why should the extortionate motoring related taxes we currently pay, go to be used anywhere other than the roads/transport system then ? Why should my taxes go to pay people to have multiple children and them get loads of money in child support ? The list goes on.

Name someone...anyone, who does not see life benefits from the transport infrastructure that they should not contribute ? Whether they choose not to actually drive on them themselves from time to time.

 

The prices people pay for everything they buy or use already helps pay for it as transport costs are factored into everything.those people then pay their road taxes and fuel duty.
I don't agree People should pay more for roads they hardly or never drive on for personal use in the form of income tax.
The more you use it the more you pay... That current system seems fair enough to me but for sure I'd rather it was cheaper .
It costs me more than most in fuel duty and road tax but that's the choice I made when buying a gas guzzling car!

 

Doesn't matter what way they dress the excess. But motorists Do already pay the more they use because they use more fuel, more electric more whatever..
But there should not be an excess burden placed on motorists as there is at present, even more so when for many of us it is a hobby.
Name any other hobby that is taxed as much ?
Hell...even if we have race cars that never see the road...that same taxation is levied on us via fuel costs.

WE, motorists already do pay far more for roads we never drive...and we pay for many other things nothing to do with roads. The current system is a farce, and now that people might be moving away from fossil fuels....it is being highlighted.

 

That would suit me, only do 4000ish miles a year, hence the old V12 daily

Still the govenment want one thing, money, so im sure fuel cars will get taxed to death one way or another, ulez is getting bigger

That want everyone one in electric, still get some money from sales taxes, and as a bonus looks like they care about the environment too!


And im sure once taxing fuel cars isnt the finacial earner they need, as everyones driving free tex electric shit boxes, the govenment will invent a new VED scheme of some sort to hammer everyone anyway, or some crap like that.


Remember they need to it to fund stuff like 12 billion quid apps for mates and stuff

 

When ultimately all they want is money....removing cars from the equation makes the most sense. Just raise income tax. Doesn't matter what anyone drives or doesn't drive, the government get their take.

If everyone stops driving...they still get their money. If more people drive, they get more money anyway either through sales, or fuel costs, whatever that fuel may be.
Those who can entirely fuel their cars through renewables are and for a very very long time will be the minority.

When they're relying on an income that could, and they are pushing to make it disappear, is all a bit silly. Plus the revenue they make from the oil industry that supports it too.
By vilifying all things petrol and diesel, they will easily bankrupt themselves if a sustainable long term swap is not put in place. Simply putting additional tax on fuel is a pathetic short term fix. Even some bodged attempt at pay as you drive will only be a short term fix, and impossible to police.

 

Sounds like communism

 

Free to do and drive what you choose without excessive monies being extorted from you for your hobby, is hardly communism.

In fact, taxing your hobby sounds even worse than communism, which is what we endure at present. As said before...name one other hobby taxed as much ?

 

Drinking and smoking

 

LOL....

Seems some of them do face higher taxes than fuel ! Although I'd hope most people do consume a bit less drink than fuel.

 

I already pay 41% income tax, maybe the self employed people that seem to pay sweet fa should be taxed more fairly

 

And the self employed who pay FA....got their ass handed to them when they wanted bailouts at the start of Covid...

Although when government drove a lot of people into so called self employment they largely have themselves to blame. I was self employed for around 10 years, and I paid far too much tax...so not really sure how so many seem to pay nothing. Was glad to get out of it.

 

I don't know anyone that pays no tax but I do know many that over inflate their costs and expenses to offset their tax liability.
Because I don't take the piss I ended up getting double back from the self employed help that most of my mates got.
That helped me to keep my C63 on the road..... Now that's an expensive hobby but if road taxes went under the umbrella of income tax they'd probably get even less income from all the folk dodging tax