i've noticed a fairly rapid drop in the price of oil burners recently now that i've been looking at buying another car

is it worth buying one because they are cheap now or is there a hidden cost coming that i don't know about?

just seen a 330d with the kit for sale for £700, mk2 focus for £400 and the rest

what gives?

 

A lot of press hype about how bad they are has caused a massive drop in price, plus I think i read somewhere that the government want to make it more expensive to drive them over the next couple of years (road tax and fuel tax I guess?), new ones are not selling either, all the old folk who have always driven them have panicked and are all going petrol (I have a friend in BMW sales and it's hit his commission hard).
Ford have already dropped diesels from their 2021 lineup in favour of hybrid and petrol engines too so they won't be around that much longer if other manufacturers follow suit.

 

i would DOjj as they are much cheaper to run if you get a decent one which doesnt have injector/dmf/pump issues

 

Air pollution in the news again today, a new study reckons 1 in 8 deaths are linked in some manner to air pollution. The backlash has only just begun, and punitive town centre charges, fuel duty, insurance tax, car tax rises etc etc are all under consideration by the government. The image of diesel is only going to go one way, and political pressure to be seen to do something is only going to go the other, so I personally wouldn't invest any serious money in a diesel car now unless I was doing interstellar mileage where the fuel saving would guarantee to offset everything else. £700 for a lark is a different matter, that's not a ballache to write off if youmjad to, but the 330D isnt a pleasant motor by modern diesel standards. My ex Wife had one for a spell, power band is huge, but only the width if a chocolate mouses cock, making it awkward and tiresome to drive fast, which kind of defeats then object of a 3 litre mill to begin with.

 

It's all shit. When the economy was on it's arse back in the day, the government insisted leaded fuel was bad, so we all sold them and bought unleaded vehicles, boosting the economy. Fast forward 10-15 years, All of a sudden unleaded was bad and we must save the planet by going diesel, thus everyone now buying diesel cars. And now what? All of a sudden diesel is bad so there's loads of incentives to buy electric / hybrid cars. What is going to happen when this bubble has burst? The government will still need to make their money somehow, so the cost of electricity and unleaded will soar, and I guess we will then be lead in to hydrogen power like sheep.

What is more important to the government? Not polluting an already fucked world, or making money? If you think this whole banning diesel shit is actually about saving the world then you need to think again imo....

 

Smelly fooking diesels. I hate them ha ha.

 

Hit the nail right on the head!
Just goes to show what a big heard of sheep the population is and what short memories people have. Surely it can't be just you and me who can see what's going on and can remember when 4 star was bad and unleaded was great, and then how good diesel was?

There is exactly the same conversation going on, on a bmw forum I'm on, and I've pointed out exactly what you have.

 

its all good-the tax will decrease on my rs4>? its petrol after all-so my 535 will go down to 295-?
and the wifes daily derv volvo estate will be taxed to death...

what will really happen is that the tax on both and the fuel they consume will spiral upwards...

 

I don't buy it for a minute. No one with any gumption believes anything politicians tell them. The only reason people bought diesels is because they were trying to be clever and save a few quid.

Of course, the car salesman were quite happy with this and weren't at all quick to point out that the average motorist does too much short journey or urban motoring for a DPF to work properly. When the DPFs started to act up as a result they then whipped them out, despite knowing full well its an anti pollution device, and were happy to then drive around puking unfiltered cancer out the back.

The information about the danger to health from PM2.5 and nitrous oxides has always been there for anyone who cared to look, but no one bothered to do so. Eventually the press started rubbing it in peoples faces and they were finally forced to acknowledge the inevitable.

I've little sympathy for anyone. In any other field they'd normally disbelieve anything that comes out of a politicians mouth, but willfully ignored it this time because it was saving them a few quid. They didn't care.

Well, they've done it now. Their desire to save a few quid on fuel and bugger everyone and everything else has forced a press awakening, which in turn has forced a government to act. Thanks to people who brought diesels to drive three mikes to work, or half a mile to take the kids to school were all going to suffer. By 2040 we won't be able to buy a purely ICE car by law, and probably it'll now be less than 10 years before any car manufacturer will sell you a model powered solely by ICE.

However, there isn't enough generating capacity to allow everyone to replace their ICE cars like for like with an electric one. Even if there were, there aren't enough rare earth minerals in the World to make the motors and batteries to be able to replace cars like for like. Because people thought of nothing but their bottom line half of them will be in the bus by 2030. I think its funny - I'm retired, and since doing so have refused to drive a car for a local journey. I've got into cycling those journeys, so I'm already sorted, but the lazy car driving unwashed who think its OK to drive a 3 litre Discovery diesel there and back half a mike to school twice each day are going to come down to earth with a real bang, and I've zero sympathy for them.

 

You simply just run on unleaded (subject to hardened valve seats) and if not you can buy lead substitute, no one would have sold their cars for this.

With Diesel, I don't understand how people could believe that it could possibly be cleaner or indeed cheaper.

Those who benefit from it are drivers who do high mileage, otherwise there is no point.

Agreed though it's all a money making scam, as are other things like the T-Charge and electric cars (which aren't green at all)

Martin

 

Don’t think I’d get rid of my diesel lol cheap as fook to run and reliable. But it dose spend every other week parked in the workshop at work as I have my work van while on call

 

I got caught out with that one. My first ever dev, was an 07 plate navara, was fine until i owned it being someone who doesn't do mega miles, up until then i had never heard of a DPF! Still, gutted it and a remap, sorted that issue out.

Other than that it was a great drive

These days ive gone back to petrol, and use a V12 for the school run, as that makes much more sense

And if i want economy, then I get the cozzy out